I figured it had more to do with who gets tested. It was a story from an Arizona TV station that a friend posted on fb, so I knew it wasn't definitive.
― nickn, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 01:46 (three years ago) link
should've gone with iCzech
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:06 (three years ago) link
Woss so bad about using holland
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:08 (three years ago) link
It’s actually Holland’s monster
― is right unfortunately (silby), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:09 (three years ago) link
No thats just a small town outside den haag iirc
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:10 (three years ago) link
denhaagiirc darraghmac
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:22 (three years ago) link
No such thing as an innocent synecdoche.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link
basically:
Holland is a region and former province on the western coast of the Netherlands. The name Holland is also frequently used informally to refer to the whole of the country of the Netherlands. This usage is commonly accepted in other countries and is also commonly employed by the Dutch themselves. However, some in the Netherlands, particularly those from regions outside Holland, may find it undesirable, even offensive or misrepresentative to use the term for the whole country.
― partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 07:24 (three years ago) link
Is Dutch itself problematic. I thought it derived from deutsche and therefore a complete misnomer. Looks like it dervish from an earlier term that ghats itself derives from. But looks like at least officially it's not liked because of connotations in English which are normally negative.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 07:40 (three years ago) link
xp In addition to that: people outside of the Randstad/the region of Holland, use Holland as a derogatory term for said region.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 08:22 (three years ago) link
I mean, Dutch is the funniest language I can think of.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 12:05 (three years ago) link
Czechia and The Czech Republic are both very much like Holland in that they are names for the largest part of the country, excluding the rest. The problem is that that there is no common term like "The Netherlands" which also includes Moravia without including Slovakia.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 12:13 (three years ago) link
in the NL case it’s not even the largest part but the historically dominant part
― partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 12:28 (three years ago) link
well largest by population anyway
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
not that it’s even the point, but no, it contains 40 to 45% of the total population, depending on your definition.
― partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
Dutch looks like a halfway point between English and german doesn't it?I mean from what i've seen of it.
whgat do they call themselves ad tehir language Nederlander?
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
xp which makes it the largest single part by population, I didn't say "the majority part" but yes, it's not the point.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language xp
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
This is interesting on the word Dutch:
It derived from the Old Germanic word theudisk, which literally means "popular" or "belonging to the populace". In Western Europe this term was used for the language of the local Germanic populace as opposed to Latin, the non-native language of writing and the Catholic Church.[14] In the first text in which it is found, dating from 784, theodisce refers to Anglo-Saxon, the West Germanic dialects of Britain.[15][16] Although in Britain the name Englisc replaced theodisce early on, speakers of West Germanic in other parts of Europe continued to use theodisce to refer to their local speech.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link
Czechia and The Czech Republic are both very much like Holland in that they are names for the largest part of the country, excluding the rest. The problem is that that there is no common term like "The Netherlands" which also includes Moravia without including Slovakia
idgi, the Czech Republic includes Moravia?
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
It's Bohemia and Moravia basically?
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link
České Budějovice is a Bohemian-wrapped city
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
Czech = Bohemia
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link
Sure, but politically, as opposed to historically, the name "Czech Republic" includes the lands of Moravia and Bohemia in the same way as the name "the Netherlands" includes all of its lands.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link
No, it's different, everyone knows it just means Bohemia really, it's literally "Bohemian Republic" vs "Bohemia-land" - it's like when people used to casually refer to Scotland and Wales as "England" a century ago, only there's no real separatist movement in Moravia and nobody seems to make much of a fuss about it really.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link
...and no good alternative name being used
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
Maybe "shockingly old" is a bit of a stretch, but I had no idea until today that artist Ken Kelly, of Conan and Tarzan and metal album cover fame, is the nephew of artist Frank Franzetta.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
I mean I must've heard 'Major Tom (Coming Home)' dozens of times in my life but I'm somehow only just now hearing the accent and discovering that Peter Schilling is German.
― Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:07 (three years ago) link
there's a German-language version, worth checking out if you only know the English one! i would suggest we poll it against the German versions of "99 Red Balloons" and "Der Kommissar," but i'm pretty sure Nena would take it in a walk (even if Falco has the best video).
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link
Cool, will check out! This grave oversight is all the more inexcusable because I'm at least passingly familiar with Neue Deutsche Welle in general. It really should've come to my attention sooner.
― Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
Doc, that is an interesting idea but I would be physically unable to rank those three. All three are essential.
― cilantro vs. wade (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link
Due to only slight interest in the band via classic rock radio I didn't realize that Benjamin Orr sang lots of the Cars' hits. I always assumed it was just Ric Ocasek, the only guy in the band I could recognize by sight. Relatedly, I discovered extremely late what a major fox Orr was.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 8 January 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
I think this is a pretty common one because Ocasek was so visible in the MTV era and there's some similarity in their voices.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link
Okay, I knew about 'Drive' but didn't know he was also lead vocalist 'Just What I Needed' and 'Let's Go' as well. So count me among the shockingly old.
― Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
that's not ric ocasek on just what i needed??? 🤯
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
Wowza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsPh-EgH65M
― Sam Weller, Friday, 8 January 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
Also Moving In Stereo and Candy-O
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I started to wonder about those two, as well, given the similarity of pronunciation. 'let's gao' and 'moving in stere-ao' and 'Candy-ao'. Orr, you sneaky sonofagun.
― Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:42 (three years ago) link
The easiest way to tell Ocasek's vocals from Orr's on any given Cars song is to ask yourself "do I want to add 'garsh!' to the end of this vocal line?"
If the answer is yes, it's an Ocasek vocal
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
Orr's voice is chesty and Ocasek's is throaty. Same range though, and since they're Rik's melodies, that adds to the similarity.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 January 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
Excellent topic
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
Orr's an overlooked giant, 'tis true.
Of course if you'd watched the video back in the day, you'd know both that Ocasek was not singing lead AND that Orr was a lovely man and a fine musician
― cilantro vs. wade (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
(of "Drive" I mean, but it goes for some of the others as well)
― cilantro vs. wade (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
and DJP's diagnostic test is A+
― cilantro vs. wade (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
idgi
― budo jeru, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
Ric Ocasek sounds like Goofy when he sings
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
have always had a hard time telling orr and ocasek apart, but i've known there were two vocalists for some time.
― budo jeru, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
xp ooh lol
Add "Just What I Needed" starting like "Yummy Yummy Yummy" to the roll call.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link