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I'm hanging in there - been playing mostly ring tables ($.50 NL - OH YEAH HIGH ROLLING), & am still up overall, but got screwed by the poker gods this weekend. First hand I got sitting down at a table = AA. I raise 5x the blind, two people call. Flop is AQQ. Me = !!!! I check, some jerky bets $2, I (thinking I have this hand sewn up, & thinking Slappy is playing Ax) call. 3rd dood folds. Turn is a Q - no betting. River is crap. I end up getting reraised & going all in. Slappy had QJ offsuit. Then has the balls to tell me I shouldn't have slowplayed the nut full house. I kinda lost it then.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Up another £200 this week (god, why do I post this - I must curse myself). I am contemplating, once again, the move to $100NL - I am easily rolled for it but just don't have the balls. Though I did play 50 hands or so along with tonight's session, and finished $19 up on that table, which is better than a kick in the balls I guess.

The week's highlight was this. Snazzy, eh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/royal2.jpg

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Friday, 11 August 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

you don't appear to have tempted the rest into putting that much in, though.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i should really read this thread through.. will later.

but, can anyone rec a good underground house in NYC? i used to really enjoy those, one on the ues and a couple on the west side. not that i bet much, mostly tournaments where you'd only blow $60-80 on the early rebuys. i've heard of some really loose games w/ drunk kids in williamsburg.

online just doesn't do it for me, i end up getting bored. haven't played in over a year, but was in a tournament last week that rekindled some interest.

mentalismé (sanskrit), Saturday, 12 August 2006 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Sanskrit - have you spoken to Yancey about it?

Louis - I got a £17 pot in the end - check/raised Phipps on the river and got a call. Not too shabby.

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Not too shabby indeed!

FWIW, I'm hanging in there - up nearly 2 grand for the year, and won 6 bills @ Foxwoods a few weekends ago. Gonna head up there in a few hours again, actually (to give the money back, of course).

I am ALMOST to the point that I can stop relentlessly bitching about bad beats. Tho it's hard when I raise w/ QQ, catch trips, get 55 to go AI, and lose to a runner-runner straight.

Oh, and RAKEBACK! IS! AWESOME!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Got my first four of a kind the other night. It's funny how you feel really proud of yourself for getting a great hand by pure chance.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

All skill, baby!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice going :)

Here's the good hands I've received in the last 23k hands, apropos of chap's post:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/hands.jpg

Cahp, where do you play? How long's it been? I haven't seen you on this thread before, I don't think?

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I just have a weekly game with some friends which has been going on for about a year. Haven't ventured on to online poker yet as I am scared of losing all my money. I posted on this thread once before, I think.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the site providing that breakdown for you, Mark? Or do you have some fancy tool @ yr disposal, like SharkScope.com?

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post) Ah cool. Assuming you didn't lose your money, do you think you'd be interested in playing online? It can be quite a time sink but it's a great hobby, and I'm by no means great (and I play at very low levels) but I've now got about £2,800 I didn't have at the start of last year.

David - the stats are from Poker Tracker - it's an essential (I think) tool for keeping in touch with your stats and those of your opponents. I can't tell you how valuable it is to know that the guy to your left is playing 45% of hands and raising half of them, for example.

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I would be interested in theory (not right at the moment though, cash flow problems), though I think my most valuable asset in the game is that I have a pretty good poker face, which wouldn't be much good online. Also, I enjoy the socializing as much as the game itself. Might be fun to practice loads on the internet and trounce my friends, though.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Hehe yeah, that would be good. Or we could just talk tactics - what kind of style do you use? Most live games tend to be too loose/passive, so tight/aggressive tends to pwn them.

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Gah. Played 800 hands this afternoon and lost £30. That's not how it's supposed to happen. Made some brilliant reads, called all-ins ahead and lost on about 4 occasions. I did, however, luck out massively with this one. The guy I beat took it very well :)

Game #2157608863: Hold'em NL (£0.15/£0.25) - 2006/08/12 - 13:38:06 (ET)
Table "Saz" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: pumbar (£18.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Bigpete12 (£26.15 in chips)
Seat 3: sheridga (£28.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Willym (£15 in chips)
Seat 5: FlopAbit (£13.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Zerbombt (£30.01 in chips)
Bigpete12: posts small blind £0.15
sheridga: posts big blind £0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Zerbombt [Qs Ac]
Willym: folds
FlopAbit: folds
Zerbombt: raises to £1
pumbar: folds
Bigpete12: calls £0.85
sheridga: calls £0.75
----- FLOP ----- [Qd 6s 3c]
Bigpete12: checks
sheridga: bets £1
Zerbombt: raises to £2.75
Bigpete12: folds
sheridga: raises to £10
Zerbombt: raises to £29.01 and is all-in
sheridga: is all-in £17.90
Returned uncalled bets £1.11 to Zerbombt
----- TURN ----- [Qd 6s 3c][Qc]
----- RIVER ----- [Qd 6s 3c Qc][Ad]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Zerbombt: shows [Qs Ac] (A Full House, Queens full of Aces)
sheridga: shows [3h 3s] (A Full House, Threes full of Queens)
Zerbombt collects £55.90 from Main pot

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Joe, you intrigued enough to give online a go yet? I'd be happy to discuss where you could play, what games and stakes etc. Some sites give free money to start; others give bonuses which you receive after playing a certain number of hands (and further bonuses as you continue playing). I've managed to rack up the best part of £800 in bonuses and rakeback alone, which comes on top of winnings (or mitigates losses :)).

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link


Seat 1: amele ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: Micky7763 ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 3: elthomas001 ($1.10 in chips)
Seat 4: kenjuggle [7H,7C] ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 5: v4ImmBa ($27.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Deported ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Richie B ($30.60 in chips)
Seat 8: JBlooms ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 9: despo75 ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 10: DME9 ($20.60 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
elthomas001 posts blind ($0.25), kenjuggle posts blind ($0.25), Deported posts blind ($0.25), amele posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
v4ImmBa folds, Deported checks, Richie B calls $0.25, JBlooms calls $0.25, despo75 folds, DME9 calls $0.25, amele checks, Micky7763 folds, elthomas001 checks, kenjuggle checks.

FLOP [board cards 8H,6S,7D ]
elthomas001 checks, kenjuggle bets $0.30, Deported calls $0.30, Richie B calls $0.30, JBlooms bets $3.25, DME9 calls $3.25, amele folds, elthomas001 folds, kenjuggle calls $2.95, Deported calls $2.95, Richie B calls $2.95.

TURN [board cards 8H,6S,7D,JD ]
kenjuggle checks, Deported bets $0.25, Richie B calls $0.25, JBlooms bets $15.15 and is all-in, DME9 folds, kenjuggle calls $15.15, Deported folds, Richie B calls $14.90.

RIVER [board cards 8H,6S,7D,JD,JH ]
kenjuggle bets $8.85 and is all-in, Richie B folds.

SHOWDOWN
kenjuggle shows [ 7H,7C ]
JBlooms shows [ 5D,4D ]
kenjuggle wins $8.85, kenjuggle wins $63.20.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Micky7763
Pot: $72.55, (including rake: $0.50)
amele, loses $0.25
Micky7763, loses $0
elthomas001, loses $0.25
kenjuggle, bets $27.50, collects $72.05, net $44.55
v4ImmBa, loses $0
Deported, loses $3.75
Richie B, loses $18.65
JBlooms, loses $18.65
despo75, loses $0
DME9, loses $3.50

ken c (ken c), Saturday, 12 August 2006 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to play with you guys, but I can't.. legally.

Washington passed a ban on online gambling for all state citizens. I'm not kidding.

I guess I need to cash in my money somehow. :/

wrapped up like a DOUche in the middle of the NUT (donut), Sunday, 13 August 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw d-nut, that sucks a lot. On the other hand, no-one is actually getting prosecuted for it, I don't think? An d see it this way - if you DO get done you can be the test case which destroys their stupid law and imposes obligatory gambling freedom for all Americans!!

Here's a hand for y'all. Read: guy was strong, aggressive, maybe a bit overly so. Likes re-raising and betting big, but has a very good grasp of the game. Bear in mind it's 6max, too.

***** Hand History for Game 4938540012 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 13, 04:59:49 ET 2006
Table Table 107985 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: honeychook ( $49.93 )
Seat 4: Zerbombt ( $41.06 )
Seat 6: davidstb ( $15.46 )
Seat 5: stu2472 ( $48.70 )
Seat 2: russell77772 ( $23.15 )
Seat 1: ClemsonTGR5 ( $49.50 )
Zerbombt posts small blind [$0.25].
stu2472 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Zerbombt [ 7s Ks ]
davidstb folds.
ClemsonTGR5 folds.
russell77772 folds.
honeychook calls [$0.50].
Zerbombt calls [$0.25].
stu2472 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8d, 6d ]
Zerbombt bets [$1].
stu2472 folds.
honeychook raises [$2].
Zerbombt calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
Zerbombt bets [$3].
honeychook raises [$6].
Zerbombt raises [$11.16].
honeychook calls [$8.16].
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Zerbombt is all-In.

Thoughts?

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Sunday, 13 August 2006 09:03 (seventeen years ago) link

just back from playing Carribean blind on the tables at Monte Carlo. very James Bond, one to tick off on the 'before i die' list.

my esteemed mentor tells me that the blind play is the smart choice. the probability of the dealer qualifying is 2/5 hands over all so you're likely to pick up a touch on the ante. it's bread and butter wins of course but the house HATES this type of play - it really irritates them. jolly amusing wot.

beeble (beeble), Sunday, 13 August 2006 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

A transcription of a conversation held in the chat box of a $5 tournament, with an explanatory link added, as well as minor stage directions.

Hey SennaS
yeah
is that ur last name?
nah its for A Senna I'm a big fan
oh
*extended pause in conversation*
he's dead
yeah
very
*extended pause in conversation*
i named my son after him... so he lives on...
just dont let him take any sharp bends :)
it's ok... he's blind...

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Doh! Ignore that post. Here it is again, properly:

[Scotty990] Hey SennaS
[SennaS] yeah
[Scotty990] is that ur last name?
[SennaS] nah its for A Senna I'm a big fan
[Scotty990] oh
*extended pause in conversation*
[SennaS] he's dead
[Scotty990] yeah
[SennaS] very
*extended pause in conversation*
[SennaS] i named my son after him... so he lives on...
[Scotty990] just dont let him take any sharp bends :)
[SennaS] it's ok... he's blind...

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
I love that post gooblar :)

Update time y'all!

I have started playing mostly £50NL (roughly equivalent financially to $100NL, though I am pretty sure $100 is trickier) and am owning it so far, which is nice since my last experiment at moving up cost me a little over $800.

Since I moved sites at the start of September I have managed to make almost $2,000 which is EASILY my most successful period - it's probably taken me 12k or so hands to do it.

I am playing almost exclusively 6max cash games nowadays with the occasional SNG (and the very occasional MTT) thrown in for fun. I get in maybe 12-15 hours play a week 3- or 4-tabling.

If anyone is interested I have a poker blog on the excellent Flopturnriver.com. Say hi if you get a chance to read it.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link

My country has decided to do some banny-banning on online poker fun (booo), so I'm taking a temporary siesta until either A) the ban is lifted or B) I feel like spitting in the face of some G-men. Sucks, too - this year, I've made a NICE chunk of change (which I just spent on a new TV & some bedroom furniture).

If you go to PokerShark.com (or whatever that tourney-tracking site is) and search for 'sinnermann' on the PokerRoom network, you can bask in my awesomeness.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

judging from yr blog the £50 refers to the min buy in, no? what's that £.50/£1? i was gonna say £25/£50 - that's a serious game dude! anyway well done regardless.

i played 3 $24+2 multi's in the last few days, came in 14th in one with 600+ and 12th in a 500+. won like a hundred in each - so annoyingly close to the real money (and in the second one i was in 1st w/25 to go). won $900 for fourth a couple weeks ago. used to be more into s&g's but i'm getting my multi game together now. which makes a lot of sense since i've actually won way more from multi's, even though i've played them less.

in the one i didn't cash i got wounded early (and knocked out soon after) when i limped w/aces from 1st position and one of the many callers caught a boat on the flop. of course then the chat window lights up with that's why you don't slow play aces - yeah - u suck - (various simple minded treatises on poker strategy follow) and i'm all because someone catches a boat every time? i try not to be annoyed at these dumbasses, but gdamn!

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

david - netteller deposits to fulltilt still work fine - and i'm sure many other setups do to. also the ban is on us banks making transfers to gambling sites - so ur not actually culpable.

also those pokershark stats - totally not accurate. or maybe they just don't go back v far or something.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I like MTT's a LOT more than S&Gs. I like the narrative flow & shit. Also, I get some sort of perverse thrill seeing some idiot donk catch all his hands early on, and then lose all his chips trying that same shit right before the bubble. The fact that I've had a ridiculous run of luck (or skill) in them of late might have something to do w/ it, tho.

Yeah, I don't know how far back PokerShark goes, but my stats are pretty accurate (except for one or two rebuy MTTs - they only track the initial buyin). Of course, I've only been 'sinnermann' for a few months, so that's probably why.

Hey, I use Neteller, too! So that means that doing the bank-to-Neteller-to-site handjive is still legal?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

jhoshea OTM. And yes, bank-to-Neteller is still fine. David, you can play at any of the sites who are still accepting US players - Pokerstars (though I am not a fan) now has the biggest userbase in history, with 105,000 players online the other night! It is possible that, after the 270-day period during which the lawmakers set up the rules which will govern the new legislation, playing online might become much trickier, but until then (i.e. until July 2007) you can play to your heart's content at Stars, Full Tilt (where I have recently signed up - say hello if you come across SandInMyVagina) and several of the smaller sites.

Whatever you do, though, be CERTAIN to make sure you get rakeback before you sign up. Email me if you want to be shown how (Stars don't offer rakeback but Full Tilt and most of the other sites do).

Personally, I prefer playing at the sites which offer £ tables as I think they're better value, and Sun Poker (my current main site - I am Zerbombt there) has the lovely Cryptologic bonus structure that I used to praise at Interpoker, who changed their requirements, boo.

Oh - and £50NL means £0.25/£0.50 blinds, so pretty low level. it's roughly equivalent to $0.50/$1.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i deposited the full $600 when i signed up for fulltilt and $20 bonuses are still popping up every so often (although i think my time's about to run out).

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't bothered for a while cos of summer and the funness of outdoors.

might play again soon though. um, and when i get my credit card back from the bank. although i still have a load of money in pokerroom.

xxxxpost haha i thought mark meant £50 bb too!!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Ken, you should get a Neteller account if you don't have one already - very easy to set up (though it does take a few days) and makes transfer totally easy.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

neteller will still need my credit card somehow though right? or do they do some scary direct debit thing?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Scary direct debit ahoy!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't deposited since the new law but i've heard that netteller is more expensive than the no longer working firepay - which kinda sux. i wonder if there's a cheaper option?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm sure it was free when i just used my credit card?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Neteller transfers to and from Poker sites are free, and cost me the grand total of £1 (or $1) when I cashed £1,500 back into my bank account.

My understanding is that Neteller is a good deal cheaper than firepay. Check their website for details.

The problem with using credit cards is that you have to withdraw onto the credit card, at least a certain proportion of your winnings. Of course this doesn't need to be a problem, it's up to you. Americans of course can't use their credit cards on poker sites because the card providers don't allow payments to gambling businesses.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there an extant poker site with a Java client that'll accept US players? That was always the thing I liked best about Pacific (which was otherwise way too fishy) - the ability to pad my bankroll when I was bored at work.

Likewise, if you're using a Mac, you're pretty much limited to Full Tilt at this point, right?

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Canbet seems to be a US-friendly site with Java - it's on Boss so no Pokertracker support but lots of nice fish.

But yeah, I'd def go with Full Tilt if I had a Mac - they're pretty much the no. 2 after Stars now, they have the most impressive celeb affiliations (good for attracting fish - why don't you like fish, btw?), and they're the fastest-growing site I believe.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

guess i heard wrong abt netteller.

fulltilt has my endorsement: 9 handed tables, good blind structures, nice feel, funny avatars. being a mac user i've only ever played @ pokerroom and pacific, which are both wicked retarded.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

But but you WANT to play against bad players, right?

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah of course - i wasn't saying the players of the other sites were more retarded - just that the setups up those sites sucked (10 handed tables, no antes in later tourney stages etc). i have a hard time believing there's too much variation in fish content between sites, seems like it would be self-correcting.

(not sure if you were actually taking to me)

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I was talking to you :)

I used to prefer 10-handed to 9-handed and I still do in SNGs - the way I see it (because I see myself as one of the better players at the table) is that the 10th man will be a net donator to my prize pool and therefore I want him in.

But in cash games I am pretty much totally converted to 6max. Same winrate - actually I'm running better at 6max - but 50% more hands - it's easy to see how much more profitable it is. Also, you actually play more poker, which is more fun and much more educational - it's not the nut-camping grind you get at 9- and 10-handed tables.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I love taking money from fish, and two or three per table (which there always seemed to be in every $10 buy-in Pacific sit-and-go, which was an incredibly reliable way to make money) are always good for everybody, but I can only deal with so high of a flop percentage before I start going insane.

I had a couple of almost unbelievably bad beats on Pacific before the ban; the worst was losing with AA (and trips on the A-8-2 flop!) to 7-2 offsuit, when some genius decided to call my pre-flop raise and my post-flop raise with his pair of twos and got 7-2 on the turn and river. There's just no accounting for people like that.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm remembering that wrong, since under that scenario I would have won. Regardless, I lost with AA to something totally fucking ridiculous, and I guess you can chalk up my faulty memory to PTSS or something.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I am on Full Tilt! Literally! Because I had my AK and KK "broken" by the same guy w/ AA! Yay bad luck!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

And again! Awesome!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi dere,

I was off sick yesterday and played a little bit of poker and managed to fluke my best day ever! Up $440 or so in under 600 hands, thanks to an SNG win and some good times at $50 and £50NL 6max.

Highlight was hitting the nut straight on the turn and pushing all-in over a guy re-raising with a set - hello $280 pot! What might have been the highlight, but for a tremendous laydown on the villain's part, was my last hand - AA, hit a set on the turn (which also brought three to the flush), bet 3/4 of what was already a massive pot and a guy with a lower (flopped) set managed to find a fold. Considering we both had 3 x buyins at this point, I was looking at a $570 pot if he'd been a tiny bit braver/more foolhardy.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I am down $360 since joining FullTilt. THANKS MARK.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

But you got rakeback, right? Please tell me you have rakeback? I made $222 in Otcober through rakeback alone. Which was nice.

p.s. why does my firefox no longer recognise the poundsign? Do I have to start writing GBP from now on?

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I have rakeback, yeah, but I think the sign-in bonus I'm working on is deducting from the rakeback.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link


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