the one nonentity bloke ... decide(s) to stop hanging around her forever
because his mate has got a PS5.
and actual emotional interaction with the Doctor
With a shitload of CLANG hints it's actually sexual interaction she wants, to keep the shippers happy.
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 2 January 2021 12:37 (three years ago) link
also
The one running plotline through last season was that Official Space Cops were acting as mercenaries hired to capture the Doctor.
Then they turned up again but were working as official cops, not mercenaries, and arrested the Doctor and sentenced her to life imprisonment, without a trial or actual charges being laid (?? idrc)
A year later, we pick up on the Doctor in prison having not challenged this sentence, tried to escape, or learnt the charges in order to counter them. We don't even see a glimpse of the Official Space Cops who have behaved in such contradictory, wildly overreaching ways, and instead yoink the Doc out of her twentieth year in priz to drop her into a completely different and wholly unconnected story about... wildly overreaching cops? From space?
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 2 January 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link
With a shitload of CLANG hints it's actually sexual interaction she want
honestly I'm deliberately ignoring this every time, just because I can't believe he's ever going to pay it off in any way :-/
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 2 January 2021 12:44 (three years ago) link
Now you can miss the Doctor killing one of the universe's rarest lifeforms, which we just learnt last episode are wholly descended from her,
lol I totally forgot that every other lifeform from her homeworld also got genocided last episode
maybe because her beloved fam, the amazing iconic trio, didn't give two tenths of a shit when she told them about it today
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 2 January 2021 12:58 (three years ago) link
then after this ten months of constant pining and trying to crack the secrets of the universe to be reunited with her, the one nonentity bloke and his amazing dad decide to stop hanging around her forever, after one hour of being in her company again.
then we see the amazing fifty-something white man dad concoct a plan to be The Doctor, but on Earth, because all it takes it being a cheery chappy (played by an English TV host unknown around the world)
It seems like in your haste to dunk on this wholly middling episode, you forgot to watch it
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Saturday, 2 January 2021 14:57 (three years ago) link
Ryan was the one urging Yaz to let go of the Doctor at the beginning of the episode and was decidedly unenthusiastic about her return compared to the other two. It was signposted from the beginning that he had rebuilt his life on Earth and that he was the driving force behind the investigation and, when he turned down the trip in the TARDIS, part of his reasoning was because he was the one who wanted to protect Earth. Graham decided to stay because even though he loved traveling with the Doctor, he finally had a relationship with Ryan and he didn’t want to miss out on his life. Transferring all of these decisions to Graham when the show itself explicitly gives them to Ryan is about as fucking stupid as Chibnall’s overall tenure has been.
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Saturday, 2 January 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
The prison was loosely thematically connected to the rest of the episode. High tech prison, high tech police. Shame that the prison fell into the "laser walls that are inferior to wall walls" trope.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 2 January 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
(Oh god I don't care, but) do we know that the Doctor has been in prison for 19 years, or that Captain Jack has been planning his rescue for 19 years?
It's good that Chibnall has realised that the real purpose for Captain jack is quasi-homophobic gags.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 2 January 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
I don’t know what units of time the Doctor was counting off on her cell walls but there were certainly a lot of them
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Saturday, 2 January 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link
they were in groups of seven, so i figured days / weeks.
(that said she was writing ||||||| and then putting a cross through them rather than using the seventh to strike out six marks like everybody else would)
― koogs, Saturday, 2 January 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link
my general ranking of holiday specials
Time of the DoctorA Christmas CarolThe Runaway Bride(all of the middling ones here)Dr Mysteriothe wardrobe oneRevolutionResolutionVoyage of the Damned
― wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 2 January 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
the Capaldi face-hugger one was top 3 for me, maybe even my favourite
― the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Saturday, 2 January 2021 22:10 (three years ago) link
yeah that was tremendous.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 January 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
my ranking:
Christmas CarolLast Christmas (facehugger)Husbands Of River SongTime Of The DoctorTwice Upon A TimeThe Runaway BrideThe SnowmenThe Return Of Dr MysterioThe Next DoctorThe Christmas InvasionThe End Of TimeVoyage Of The DamnedResolution Of The DaleksRevolution Of The DaleksThe Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
Transferring all of these decisions to Graham when the show itself explicitly gives them to Ryan
tbf, by saying that Ryan decided I meant to give the impression that Ryan had decided
will freely admit that I was not paying full attention by the end* but I thought it was Graham who says "hey there's some rock aliums in a quarry in Korea, if you want to do good we could go and investigate aliums like what we've been doing" and Ryan says "well in that case it happens that the Doctor gave me psychic paper for my birthday, I was just going to keep in the wrapping buuuuut"
*middle
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 2 January 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link
I think I was mixing together Last Christmas and Sleep No More, resulting is an average that was middling.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 2 January 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link
I've found most Chibnall stories just average rather than irredeemably awful over the years but this just felt so uninspired I could not enjoy it at all.
― nashwan, Saturday, 2 January 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
Ellard & Sandifer writeups good as usual.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 2 January 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link
Ryan’s big speech literally is “you can’t defend Earth forever, you’ve inspired me to be here when you can’t be” so Graham is giving him info about stuff he explicitly said he wanted to look into in the previous scene
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Sunday, 3 January 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
But yeah, the White guy said it so it’s all his idea
I wonder if this is anyone’s favourite Doctor Who, I genuinely hope it is
― the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Sunday, 3 January 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
The teaser was almost comedically banal. Here is a scene that tells you nothing about the character, that is uninteresting in itself, and has as a big reveal something that is meaningless to most people.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 3 January 2021 00:31 (three years ago) link
I for one am very excited to see how his ability to unload a van is going to save the universe
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Sunday, 3 January 2021 02:13 (three years ago) link
You can't say Chibnall's press release doesn't build on that palpable excitement:
“It’s time for the next chapter of Doctor Who, and it starts with a man called Dan. Oh, we’ve had to keep this one secret for a long, long time. Our conversations started with John even before the pandemic hit. The character of Dan was built for him, and it’s a joy to have him aboard the TARDIS.”
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 3 January 2021 02:17 (three years ago) link
Dan
― the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Sunday, 3 January 2021 02:41 (three years ago) link
top crossover potential
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwW3ytid4DA
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 3 January 2021 02:46 (three years ago) link
Okay this is feeling like Doctor Who is attacking me
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Sunday, 3 January 2021 04:34 (three years ago) link
I should rewatch Time of the Doctor perhaps, my memory is that by the end Matt Smith and Moffat had worn out their (considerable) welcomes.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 3 January 2021 09:56 (three years ago) link
Time Of is brutally cramped, trying to fit an uncomfortably horny Christmas romp, a regeneration and the entire intended plot arc of Smith's fourth season into 60 minutes. But it just about pulls them off, and making Eleven into a sun god who grows old and withers and dies, and then saves his tiny world of worshippers by being reborn as new light, is a much better solstice story than any of the other holiday specials even think about trying.
Plus Handles is cool.
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
Watching what we have now, I really miss that sort of ambition, even if it didn't always stick.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:38 (three years ago) link
I would really like to see Jodie with decent material. Would have also loved a lot more Capaldi without the very wrong companion. Why did he get saddled with carla too thunk it was bad enough that Matt Smith got stuck with her. Really don't like the character beyond being a consciousness trapped in a dalek.
But god the way that things fall in the wrong direction. would have hoped for a lot more from the first female doctor and not getting it.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:47 (three years ago) link
Unverified potential spoiler link
Argh
The source said she will follow co-stars Bradley Walsh and Tosin Cole out of the door later this year, but showrunner Chris Chibnall is to remain.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 January 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
Lol sorry I put the closing h tag after the closing i tag honest
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 January 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
cool homage to 2018's "Jodie leaving after one season" rumours, and 2019's "CHAOS IN CARDIFF" rumours, from a real source who speaks exactly like normal humans
― shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 4 January 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link
Some Twitter doctor who nerds think this one might be more legit, but who knows
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 January 2021 01:11 (three years ago) link
she probably is leaving, because she will have done three seasons in four years, which has become the standard across the last three Doctors
but anyone with a calendar could write a tabloid gossip piece saying so
― shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 4 January 2021 02:45 (three years ago) link
Just remembered that the last time Chibs wrote for the show before taking over, he put a fifty-something grandad in those episodes too.
This one got the equal ninth-lowest Audience Appreciation rating of nu-Who:
76: "Love & Monsters" (RTD, these people are plainly wrong)77: "Orphan 55"78: "Sleep No More" (Gatiss found-footage Capaldi ep)78: "Praxeus"78: "Can You Hear Me?"79: "The Tsuranga Conundrum"79: "The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos"79: "Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror"79: "Revolution of the Daleks"
Ah, ta - Ellard reliably great on suggesting tiny elements that could have vastly enhanced the intended themes, eg
Because once again the first female Doctor is introduced as passive. For most Doctors, those lines on her cell wall would be a tally of escape attempts…
and finding little things that let down the intent, like
What’s funny is that she’s reading Harry Potter from memory. A story about an adopted kid whose parents abuse him, who’s told he has a destiny but finds that being who you are and making your own choices are what matters.Did she not notice the parallels?(Let’s be honest, the nod to Rowling in Shakespeare Code was about grabbing for the biggest thing in kids’ imaginations in 2007. To be doing the same nod 13 years later is more a callback, and an easy reference. It’s not about what kids are into in 2020.)
Did she not notice the parallels?
(Let’s be honest, the nod to Rowling in Shakespeare Code was about grabbing for the biggest thing in kids’ imaginations in 2007. To be doing the same nod 13 years later is more a callback, and an easy reference. It’s not about what kids are into in 2020.)
Not because Rowling is a TERF—that wasn't well enough known in 2019 for me to be bent out of shape about it. Just because the setup of the Doctor talking to herself and telling herself "one of the classics" as a bedtime story in an episode shot not long after August 2019 was so obviously the setup for her to begin, "Through the ruins of a city stalked the ruins of a man..."
― shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link
Enjoying the discussion and the links from more invested fans as to the current Who quality. Continuity and characterization issues expressed well are great to read, coming from a perspective of seeing potential squandered.
Not that group consensus provides a better product, but it's sad that Chibnall has enough ego not to pass scripts through Whovians for logic, errors, improvements, etc. Not sure how the writing credits would work then, but if proofreading works for books, why not here?
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link
The new Dalek design was very in sync with the Dark Troopers in The Mandalorian. Probably not intentional, just coming from the same Terminator-uninspired cul-de-sac. Not as bad as then giving them what felt like only five minutes of action and dialogue.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link
60th Anniversary team-up of the 9th and 13th Doctors preview
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:30 (three years ago) link
it's sad that Chibnall has enough ego not to pass scripts through Whovians for logic, errors, improvements, etc. Not sure how the writing credits would work then, but if proofreading works for books, why not here?
He already has episode script supervisors, a series producer, a production executive and an equal-with-him executive producer to give feedback
(though they dropped the Series Script Editor role after S11. which might be noteworthy by comparison with Moffat shouting out one script editor ).
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
accidentally posted mid-type:
He already has episode script supervisors, a series producer, a production executive and an equal-with-him executive producer to give feedback. Adding rando nerds to give their opinions is unlikely to have a salutary impact.
(though they dropped the Series Script Editor role after S11. which might be noteworthy by comparison with Moffat shouting out one script editor's improvements on twitter the other week, and having appointed another one as his equal-level exec prod for the last four seasons of his run).
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:46 (three years ago) link
Thanks for clarifying. The example I've been thinking of was the Russo brothers gathering input on any flaws in the second Captain America's script and how it resulted in a stronger movie. Chibnall's writing could benefit, based on the excerpts itt.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 03:35 (three years ago) link
Curious as to whether abolishing the script editor role has any correlation with three out of six non-Chibnall scripts in S12 acquiring Chibnall co-write credits within days of TX.
(RTD did drafts, and sometimes shooting scripts, on every freelancer except Moffat, but didn't take co-credit until the final year of Tennant specials needed his name to sell as a standalone package. Moffatt also rewrote everyone, though to a lesser extent, and took a few co-credits in the Capaldi era after Smith's S7B had been a time-crunched production disaster that he'd not had time to rewrite on. (He framed his one late-added co- credit in S10 as being because the ep turned out so badly that he didn't want ppl to blame the original writer, who'd been given a brief in the first place.))
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 03:59 (three years ago) link
1987 followup to teenage Chibnall criticising Who writers Pip & Jane Baker to their faces on Open Air in 1986:
Chris Chibnall reviews Time and the Rani Part 1 😳 pic.twitter.com/zYH96F5V6o— Joey Morgan (@JoMo___) January 11, 2021
― shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 04:43 (three years ago) link
Revolution came in as the tenth most-watched programme of the week, after the New Years live special, A Perfect Planet, The Masked Singer, two episodes of BBC News and four eps of Corrie.
― shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 04:57 (three years ago) link
i swear there used to be a post here where sic logistically dismantled chibz' squandering of doctor who's precious christmas day time slot but now i don't see it??
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 14:21 (three years ago) link
ah found it:
Rolling UK Comedy Thread - "Ricky Don't Lose Larry David's Number
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
Almost no +28 viewers on Revolution Of The Daleks* - most of Who's catchup is usually frontloaded, but a final figure of 6.6million across screens and devices only added 234k after the first week.
A year ago, Spyfall part 1 got 7.40 million (and ranked #32 on the chart for all channels for the whole year - Dracula's premiere on the same day ranked #23 for the year on 7.93m).
Given the very low AI figure, word of mouth / lack of enthusiasm probably contributed to the short tail. But overall the viewing decline is pretty on par for linear seasonal telly, and it only slipped from #10 for the week to #11 on 28-day figures. * also still no indication of what their revolution actually is. he really is titling these 100% as not-even-injoke references to stories from 1985.
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 08:06 (three years ago) link
The Revolution was them turning 180 degrees to try to get back out of the murdered TARDIS.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 5 February 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link
instead we get john bishop
― koogs, Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:22 PM (three weeks ago)
“I’ve always got my eye out for performers who are loved, and wondering how good they might be as actors ... John’s somebody I’ve been keeping a beady eye on for years. He’s quietly built up a body of work, through working with people like Jimmy McGovern and Ken Loach, while also doing a dozen other things like stand-up, autobiography, interview shows, podcasts and travel documentaries.”
― shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 5 February 2021 08:16 (three years ago) link