Wonder if Václav Havel passed the word along to Lou.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
Ha, so he was more into the Beatles and VU than I was thinking.
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link
Every once and I while I wonder how Lou was chosen for that induction job. Here’s something on a Zappa borad, but don’t know how much I trust someone who doesn’t know who Doc Pomus is. http://forum.zappa.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13616#p326852
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link
I assume Zappa hated prog, if he was familiar with it at all. But to my knowledge he never outright parodied it, which is fine, because even the best prog bands often did a fine job doing that themselves!
If it counts, he famously did a version of "Stairway to Heaven" with a groove, horns, and sound effects: https://open.spotify.com/track/0YEsQRjRxcUvIJER7Ifob8?si=T4CgLVWMSqaGG09IzXkpGw
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link
The Zappa band was going to tour with King Crimson this year before hell broke loose.
Jon Anderson and Steve Howe big fans of Zappa: https://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Yes
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link
Very interesting, thanks. So he liked the B-side of “My White Bicycle”? Starting to warm up to the Cold Mother after all.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link
2xpost Is that the reggae Stairway to Heaven? I think I had that on a live album I once had. It also had a cover of the theme from Bonanza. Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life or something?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:41 (three years ago) link
Yes
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:41 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that album. It starts with a quasi-reggae groove but then there's a quasi-big band note-for-note transcription of the guitar solo for brass.xp
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
Was curious, so I tried to find out what Fripp thought of Zappa, and this was the first forum exchange I saw:
What do you think sets these two apart? What are the main differences in the compositional and instrumental approach?Fripp is an arrogant asshole, even though he is a good musician...
Fripp is an arrogant asshole, even though he is a good musician...
I mean ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
Just found this from 1978:
Q: Are there any major rock n' roll bands aside from yourself that you do listen to?ZAPPA: I like Queen. I like Gentle Giant.
On the other hand, I also saw reference to iirc a later interview where he claims to have never heard anything by Fripp or Jimmy Page so who knows.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link
Acc to this, he apparently played "Black Dog" and "When the Levee Breaks" on the radio in 1974: https://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/WSTM,_Chicago
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
No citation though
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
This thread has been vociferously trying to convince me that Zappa was too big an asshole, and his music too smug and hateful, to listen to. So out of spite I’m playing You Can’t Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2 tonight. Except for the improvised skit “Room Service” there’s no misogyny, goofiness is kept to a minimum (for a FZ record), and there’s some seriously blazing playing from everyone in the band.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
I believe they did a Beatles medley on the same tour where they did Stairway.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
Keith Emerson said in his memoirs that Lumpy Gravy changed all his thinking about music.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
He hadn't realized it could be quite that shitty and pointless before?
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:08 (three years ago) link
Actually the original "Lumpy Gravy", before Zappa added all the tedious spoken word stuff, was pretty good.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:09 (three years ago) link
Interesting that Eddie VH was the first choice. I think Dweezil said once that Eddie was the first musician to call their house when Frank died.
“ Every once and I while I wonder how Lou was chosen for that induction job. Here’s something on a Zappa borad, but don’t know how much I trust someone who doesn’t know who Doc Pomus is. http://forum.zappa.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13616#p326852 “
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
I saw that tour - no Beatles songs. Here's the set list.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:27 (three years ago) link
I guess this is where that HOF story came from https://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Zappa_Inducted_Into_The_Hall_Of_Fame
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link
Where can the original Lumpy Gravy be heard?
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qqtmhx_btI
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:43 (three years ago) link
Wow!
― They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
The Beatles medley known as Texas Medley (Norwegian Jim/Louisiana Hooker with Herpes/Texas Motel) plus a straight cover (iirc) of "I Am the Walrus" are on the only FZ bootleg I have. Looks like they came from 3/13/88, Springfield MA.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
I actually find the spoken word segments moderately interesting, in a surreal, free-association kind of way.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:48 (three years ago) link
...segments of Lumpy gravy...
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:49 (three years ago) link
Lou's speech was good actually
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link
Yes, was pretty good. Although it still causes me no small amount of grief that nobody who edits that FZ wiki has heard of Doc Pomus.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
well presumably not a big fan of songwriting
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
what the fuck...just noticed that Freak Out!, We're Only In It for the Money, and the Lumpy Money Project/Object (which includes the original Capitol mono edit of Lumpy Gravy) are missing from Spotify...
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link
First two are listed under The Mothers of Invention
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 03:57 (three years ago) link
^^Yeah, and MOFO is under Zappa solo.
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 04:02 (three years ago) link
...which is to say, there is a version of Freak Out on Zappa's page.
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 04:10 (three years ago) link
From 1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz9bn24rxrI
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 08:46 (three years ago) link
Still wondering if Lou actually liked any of Frank's music or was just sort of expanding or at least shoring up his own brand, given the overlap in fan base (that I myself observed anecdotally). Maybe he liked Ruben and the Jets, who knows. I recall that John- who was married to one of the GTOs! - had some problems with FZ, although the real keeper of the grudge was in fact Sterling.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 13:54 (three years ago) link
Warhol hated on Zappa in his diaries, and this was in the '80s. He felt Zappa hogged all the credit for Moon Zappa's success with "Valley Girl."
― Josefa, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
I've never heard Lou Reed praise anything by Frank Zappa, I can't really imagine it being his thing at all. They both liked doo-wop, that's true. I think maybe Lou was trying to clean up his image by that stage and present himelf as a kind of venerable elder statesman of rock and roll? Or maybe it was connected to the Czech/Eastern European experience of the Velvets and Zappa being twin symbols of subversion.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link
Yes, that is how is I always thought about it, those last two sentences. I never knew about this: https://www.altaonline.com/dispatches/a4456/miss-christine-rock-legend/
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Just found this reference to the HOF induction: Zappa - C/D
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
todd is to me the corrected version of zapps: when he does a genre parody, like "wolfman Jack" or "you cried wolf," it's "i love this music, even if its teenage and corny, and i'm going to put my heart into it." for many year's I've thought that zappa/mothers are to clinton/p funk as todd is to Stevie W.
there can be little doubt that zappa strongly disliked lou reed and his milieu, and I strongly doubt that Vaclav Havel succeeded in changing his mind; and it could only be that Jon Landau or somebody similar convinced miserable old Lou that it would be in his benefit to say "I liked Frank and I know he liked me" at the induction. Dweezil —who while VJing on MTV described Lou's solo on "Video Violence," off of Mistrial, which I've never heard beyond "The Original Rapper," is the worst guitar solos in the history of anything— strongly denied that his dad had any use for Reed.
The whole thing re: Dweezil vs Ahmet is fascinating, and is rooted in Gail's domineering stewardship. Within Zappa fandom, I believe no one is more polarizing than she.
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― veronica moser, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
xpost: Dweezil said "Video Violence" featured the worst guitar solos in the history of anything.
― veronica moser, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
Zappa picked All Tomorrow's Parties as one of his 30 favorite songs in the history of music upthread so he must have appreciated Lou somewhat
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:49 (three years ago) link
"Venus In Furs", I think? Yes, I can't imagine Lou would ever have returned the favour.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
No, you're right it was "All Tomorrow's Parties", completely with Lou's raga lead guitar.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
Maybe he just felt bad about an incident mentioned here and wanted to make up for it: https://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2013/10/the-wild-side-lou-reed-vs-frank-zappa.html
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
when he does a genre parody, like "wolfman Jack" or "you cried wolf," it's "i love this musicWanted to say the same thing about Weird Al, who was mentioned upthread.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link
xp is there even a solo on "Video Violence"...isn't the whole thing Lou w/ careening lead under all tha nah-nah-nah's
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
The incident being
In between sets, Frank Zappa got up from his seat and walked up on the stage and sat behind the keyboard of Nico's B-3 organ. He proceeded to place his hands indiscriminately on the keyboard in a total, atonal fashion and screamed at the top of his lungs, doing a caricature of Nico's set, the one he had just seen. The words to his impromptu song were the names of vegetables like broccolli, cabbage, asparagus... This 'song' kept going for about a minute or so and then suddenly stopped. He walked off the stage and the show moved on. It was one of the greatest pieces of rock 'n roll theatre that I have ever seen."
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link