defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

and that’s my very muted ilx version of these opinions of course, god forbid I say how I actually feel about anything to do with natsec on this forum

the left is portrayed as eager to cancel anyone for the slightest misstep but it actually has such low standards for its heroes. leftists will embrace any micro-celebrity who vaguely seems share some of their enemies, regardless of why, or how awful their other positions are

― Left, Friday, December 18, 2020 2:46 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i don’t think gg ever ran afoul of pc idpol left did he? that’s the cancellous faction

dude he’s been taking paid appearances on tucker carlson for years are you joking

he goes on carlson to trash democrats though, which the left doesn’t care about, not to like, bash trans ppl or criticize defund the police. his foreign policy focus keeps him mostly out of hot water, unlike say Lee Fang who constantly steps on rakes

the act of being on tucker carlson is an endorsement of white supremacy

i don’t think gg ever ran afoul of pc idpol left did he? that’s the cancellous faction

― flopson, Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

not directly, but one of my primary issues with him is that gg is a big free speech supporter which necessarily involves being friends with and promoting the work of jesse singal

k3v otm, essentially

There is no reason to appear on a sniveling white supremacist's show unless you think your values are so unassailable that the white supremacist could never sully them.

His early career is knee-deep with sniveling white supremacists, so he's actually come full circle.

and that’s my very muted ilx version of these opinions of course, god forbid I say how I actually feel about anything to do with natsec on this forum

this sentence has an ominous energy

It pretty much boils down to “I think spy agencies and the military should continue to exist - it’s how Presidents choose to use them that’s the problem, & mostly because the electorate doesn’t give two shits about foreign policy except in the most simplistic and xenophobic ways possible” are you still scared

"I love it when we do coups"

i don’t think gg ever ran afoul of pc idpol left did he

oh he did, many times, it's more he didn't run afoul of the unpc anti-idpol left which was/is eager to shout down (i.e. cancel) anyone who calls out their fav celebrities on their bullshit (never forget russell brand)

wait are there ppl beyond trash island who still care about russell brand

no but his persecution by PC harpies was a major galvanising event for the current iteration of anti-idpol leftism

For a...unique definition of "major," sure.

Left, you've been busy the last 24 hours here.

fwiw i don't oppose the continued existence of spy agencies but i think it's good that the public now knows about the US government's mass surveillance programs and bad that the government tried to conceal them.

The last time I heard anyone give a shit about Brand, they were roasting him for his shock that “working class men” used the word apricot.

no but his persecution by PC harpies was a major galvanising event for the current iteration of anti-idpol leftism

― Left, Monday, December 21, 2020 8:56 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

buddy you've got the worst case of twitter brain i've ever seen

what I was alluding to was the k-punk essay which continues to be influential on the UK/US pop left. several british leftists I've interacted with have blamed critics of it (like me) for the author's death. so I'm bitter

xp this is a glenn greenwald thread

im not saying it’s good that gg went on tucker carlson or he shouldn’t have been cancelled for it, just that he didn’t get cancelled by the left for it

one of my primary issues with him is that gg is a big free speech supporter which necessarily involves being friends with and promoting the work of jesse singal

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, December 21, 2020 7:56 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

that gg isn’t cancelled by the left the way singal is proves my point tho

he didn't run afoul of the unpc anti-idpol left which was/is eager to shout down (i.e. cancel) anyone who calls out their fav celebrities on their bullshit (never forget russell brand)

― Left, Monday, December 21, 2020 8:50 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

nah this is just finger-pointing and judging from your ilx posts you’re just too knee-deep in left factionalism to see it (“the pc idpol left cancels people” “no the anti-pc un-idpol left cancel people!”) both groups constantly *try* to cancel ppl; it’s essentially the only political power they have. id argue pc cancellation is somewhat more effective; only like 0.1% of people are marxists but the vast majority of people don’t want to be perceived as bigots. calling someone a neoliberal doesn’t really stick the way racist, transphobic etc does

tucker is...semi cancelled? "out at his own outlet" merits at least that imo

so tucker carlsons show getting cancelled by fox cancels gg on the left by transitivity?

tucker was cancelled by libs and the center pulling his ad revenue, no? as has been clear for years now the left no longer has a monopoly on cancelling

lol sorry I meant to say gg was semi cancelled, funny how my brain confuzzles the two

unlike most people who get cancelled, gg personally told each and every person who said anything mean about him on twitter to fuck off

oh right lol i’d forgotten he got fired by intercept. although interestingly that was over him pushing hunter biden stuff, also he had likely orchestrated jumping ship to substack prior to it

GG = the Giuliani of the Jacobin fringe

lmao i had actually forgotten that that had all happened over the hunter biden story, and also i had completely forgotten the hunter biden story. what a hill of sand to die on

Brad, Brad.

You don't get it. You haven't a clue. This shows how the American media has made you supine.

Update 4:14pm: Glenn Greenwald confirmed as alive - despite Brad knowingly false-reporting that he died on a hill of sand!

guys here's a bad and inappropriate glenn greenwald joke

what did glenn greenwald change his name to after he bottomed without cleaning out first?

glenn brownwald

ew

calling someone a neoliberal doesn’t really stick the way racist, transphobic etc does

yeah that must be why major left orgs & media aren't full of racist & transphobes & predators with significant social capital who use accusations of neoliberalism to shut down nobodies who attempt to draw attention to those things

this non debate goes round in circles but if I'm in a bubble so are you because this is exactly the fisherite bs I was talking about

this is relevant to gg in that the radlib idpol wreckers were right about him years ago as all but the most unreconstructed assangeites now acknowledge and they are right about other things which the left establishment would still rather sweep under the rug

leftists: why are they so bad and hated

glenn greenwald: "when hating the libs goes wrong"

the spiked phenomenon. many such cases

spiked adds the element of trotskyism into the mix. never trust a trot

(I actually have family friends who are prominent trots and nice people but this is a general rule which I think is best followed)

I'm not ctrl-fing has someone made the inevitable "GG Allin had better politics" joke? Does Glenn like to drink and fuck as well as fight?

this non debate goes round in circles but if I'm in a bubble so are you because this is exactly the fisherite bs I was talking about

im not really in a bubble with regards to this stuff tbh (also im prejudiced against british ppl and ive never knowingly read anything by mark fisher) im just addicted to rubbernecking leftist drama on twitter. it’s more prurient sociological observation than partisanship

Why do you hate us so much? We are cancelling Xmas, doing Brexit and creating new covid strains. I don't get it..

i'm british and i hate british people more than anything in the world

prurient sociological observation sounds more interesting than partisanship but regardless this discourse didn't start on twitter and as boring as it sounds is formed by and informs the actual relations that constitute the left, labour movement, counterculture, or whatever. basically culture war is class war

when someone shows you who they are etc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkutSAVEAUSbKJ?format=png

also doing 2 hours with Megyn Kelly.

no one can say they weren't warned

Glenngreenwald Glenn Beck

Company you keep and keep and keep and keep and pays and keep and keep and keep im in brazil now and keep and keep and keep and keep

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