Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqxsv-cI5zU

started watching TOS from the beginning, it’s strange but i dont think i’ve ever watched all the way through from start to finish? ive just kind of absorbed it over the course of my life. as a kid i used to sometimes watch w Mum if I couldnt sleep bc it was like a midnight show, and randomly watch reruns growing up, I have faves like the Pike episodes or City on Edge of Forever etc but its cool to see the progression of casting & sets & stuff

sure glad they worked out Spocks eyebrows & makeup situation bc boy those early looks are just weird af to look at now

pilot
https://www.globalgranary.life/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Spock-Pilot-the-cage-1964.jpg

2nd pilot (ep 3)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/d/db/Spock_and_Kirk_%282265%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20121210043854&path-prefix=en

2nd pilot ep *4

https://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16300000/Where-No-Man-Has-Gone-Before-mr-spock-16300940-694-530.jpg

Yeah, proto-Spock was kind of scary.

Came to post this, although I haven’t really looked at it

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/star-trek-tos-episode-by-episode-thread.306895/
And this:

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/episodes.htm

Heh, early post in that Steve Hoffman thread about guy switching over every week to Bewitched in the middle of the show js classic.

has any star trek ever explained how their ships have gravity?

Yup

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Artificial_gravity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLGsh611Qk4

xp ty!

ha I just started from scratch too, that pilot ep threw me with the different cast I've never seen that.

These days you can watch the pilot standalone. Kids today!

Do shuttles also have artificial gravity? are they programmed to turn it off when entering a shuttle bay? or is there the possibility of entering a shuttle bay and experiencing 2G?

They must have their own gravity, as Odo eats soup with a spoon in one (well, a runabout) in The Ascent. But to my knowledge, they've never addressed it explicitly nor how it interacts with shuttle bays.

I love how everyone is like "The Expanse is so much more realistic with their lack of anti-gravity," but then they have these "magnetic" shoes that allow them to basically walk around ships just like Star Trek, except slightly more lumbering.

we are nearing the end of S1 TOS and i am surprised & happy that there were only a handful of duds in 29 eps

there were a few meh/boring ones but they were still at least quite watchable.

these ones though. DUD DUD DUD

e15 Shore Leave
e17 Squire of Gothos
e27 Alternative Factor

my biggest love of the first season is the production design. the aim to be colorful is *so* succesful & just endlessly creative, love the ways they continually create visual interest on what would be drab sets otherwise. same with costume department, so much texture & clearly just utilizing whatever they can find, its so impressive

I read a pretty good TNG novel about the Squire of Gothos being an unidentified member of the Q continuum, so I tried watching that episode afterwards, and... yeah. It's hard-going.

Also those remasters are just bang-up brilliant, and sometimes the new FX shots even (gasp) make the episodes better

the only thing i liked about the squire himself was that he looks like a young liberace

Lol

Did you guys know about this?

can you explain the context wrt Star Trek?

William Campbell played The Squire of Gothos. And played a Klingon, Klothon, in

The Trouble With Tribbles

Koloth

oh i thought it was the henry brandon thing you were linking to, doh sorry

interesting life!!

these ones though. DUD DUD DUD

e15 Shore Leave
e17 Squire of Gothos
e27 Alternative Factor

Oh no, I love "Shore Leave." I think it imprinted on me when I saw it at a young age and did not know wtf was going on in it. The hallucinatory mood of it was was intriguing.

I have positive recollections of "Squire of Gothos" too, but maybe I'm basically just remembering the funny lead character.

"Alternative Factor" can gtfo

"Squire of Gothos" and "Shore Leave" are both good! Though the Kirk's Oirish friend in the latter is one of the more irritating characters in the entire series. But, yes, first season is consistently good, later seasons not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qT1efW8BT4

Can't even remember what "Alternative Factor" is about. Other two I like though. Thing about Kirk's Academy nemesis FInnegan is annoying, yes.

you guys

shore leave sucks it is so dumb & bad

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Theodore_Sturgeon.jpg
I beg to differ

are there other examples of 'parents have to retrieve wayward godlike child' beyond charlie x and squire of gothos? feel like it's a trope second only to 'paradox makes computer self-destruct'

There’s a Twilight Zone episode or two on the theme.

Doesn't TNG have a few episodes like that? "Future Imperfect" and I want to say another one involving Picard.

These days you can watch the pilot standalone. Kids today!

don't get this 'joke'

Shore Leave is one of my faves too - always love seeing the original crew in real locations.

These days you can watch the pilot standalone. Kids today!

- don't get this 'joke'

pilot was cut up for a cheap two-parter episode during the season, used as flashback / video evidence in a trial.

in 1986, the cut-up bits were recompiled with the missing bits from Roddenberry's office-use-only rough-cut B&W reference print and released on VHS.

in 1987, some of the colour trims were found in a skip and an almost-complete colour version (about ten minutes short) was re-re-compiled and shown on TV in 1988. these young whippersnappers of today were then able to buy either the complete or the colour version on laserdisc! they, and you, don't know they're born.

Sorry, was sort of pretending to be a certain Star Trek- and Paul Lynde- fan that used to post around here.

Another fan of "Shore Leave" here. Ran the local library's projector for it and other ST episodes when I was a kid, back with single channel weekly reruns, ST episode photo books and memorizing the Compendium. Finnegan's gleeful cackle was great, Alice and the White Rabbit set the tone, etc. Also agree on seeing them in real locations. Visiting Vasquez Rocks was a bucket list check off.

Duds ahead: "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", "Turnabout Intruder", "The Gamesters of Triskelion" (gets my vote for cringiest).

Yeah, those are all pretty bad.

Joke was fine!

Gamesters was semi-remade into TNG's Code of Honor which may be the worst episode of that series.

nothing in TOS season 3 is great. last battlefield is bad in an entertaining way.

Yes, it somewhat fell off a cliff in Season 3 - a bit like Lazarus keeps doing in "Alternative Factor".

Oh no, I love "Shore Leave." I think it imprinted on me when I saw it at a young age and did not know wtf was going on in it. The hallucinatory mood of it was was intriguing.

I love "Shore Leave". Along with "Spectre of the Gun", it was one of the first episodes I remembered seeing when I was probably 7. Both episodes had a main character "die" in them which left a big impression on little me.

I'm pretty much of the opinion there are almost no bad Star Trek: TOS episodes. Even the "bad" ones are classic. Season 3 has two of my favorites: "Plato's Stepchildren" and "The Savage Curtain", which if you don't find amusing I weep for your soul.

There is something to be said about this last statement. Case in point "Spock's Brain," to name one.

We just started S2 - Amok Time was great!. I had never seen it before despite knowing some of the cultural references

Same writer as Shore Leave!

you guys can love Shore Leave all you want. I know what I saw

agree w vg about "shore leave"-- cute but i don't like when this show spends an entire episode trying to be funny-- and of course about "the alternative factor" which is the worst TOS episode. i like "squire of gothos" tho. lacks the action to fill out its runtime and compensates by repeating itself but the ending is my favorite instance of its cliche and also it will always be significant to me that a banal line from it ("i'll go along with this charade until i can think my way out") was plagiarized for no reason by bob dylan. my least favorite s1 episodes are the most famous-- the interminable salvage job of "the menagerie" and of course "city on the edge of forever", a boring twilight zone that probably thinks it's talking you into shutting up about vietnam.

"the gamesters of triskelion" is p unpleasant but i do like its colors, including/especially of the gamesters' brains-- mentioning this cuz vg is otm about the color in general which is my fave part of this show.

in s3 i like "the enterprise incident" (best spock ep short of amok time) and "the cloud minders" (class!) v much, and "day of the dove" provisionally (fun to think about in context, and to compare to s2's delusional "a private little war"). "plato's stepchildren" is at least strikingly sadistic, tho its vaunted Television First does not seem particularly woke in context. "spectre of the gun" has the best+eeriest set design in the "crew beams down into a b-movie" genre of TOS episode; plus i think it's the one where kirk says "we come in peace" and immediately draws his phaser. remain soullessly unamused by "the savage curtain" (shore leave with animatronics).

fill out its runtime

'the alternative factor' and 'last battlefield' are brutal examples of this. i mean the endless running through the corridors of the enterprise in the latter . . .

will always ride for pittsburgh's own frank gorshin tho