I think you're selling Roland and Tracy really short there, they weren't just "channeling his intentions" and that's why the name didn't continue and why his solo work is different. imo.
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 17 December 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link
Rowland & Tracy were both such astonishing talents that any music bearing their names was going to be a vehicle for their individuality no matter their adherence to completing a particular sound or aesthetic.
I agree with you mig that Cave frequently underwrites & is lax on quality control. but I do think the miss is as important as the hit when it comes to assessing his work. that is to say, there are moments when a more studied approach hits all the anticipated high points, moments when he almost strikes a chord despite apparent complete indifference, moments when he misses the mark altogether etc.. it makes his music a wild & unpredictable thing to behold most of the time, which I think works in his favour.
― charlie rex, Thursday, 17 December 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link
this is elided by the name never changing again despite his interests and the personnel changing repeatedly imo (except Grinderman! but Dig Lazarus obviously fits into the same mode of interest in between the two albums).
Blixa quitting after the trilogy of Boatmans/No More/Nocturama -on the grounds that it wasn't the band he'd joined - underscores how that phase could have been well-served as solo records (esp since he did small-band and solo shows then) or The Nick Cave Quartet or s/t, then returning to the Bad Seeds name for Abattoir Blues. anyway, voted!
― huge rant (sic), Friday, 18 December 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link
good point and it kinda makes me think of Tom Petty
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 18 December 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link
i checked and he has played birthday party songs with the bad seeds but pretty rarely. a few were common in the first few bad seeds tours, and "wild world" was a staple on the nocturama tour, but otherwise birthday party songs have only been rare one-offs.
― ufo, Friday, 18 December 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
indeed. first time i saw him in '85 "wild world" was the encore but in all the times i've seen him subsequently i'm fairly sure i have never heard a birthday pasrty song performed. i missed the nocturama tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Ni5SXn96Q
oh, and apologies to the mighty tracy for somehow adding an e to his name upthread.
― stirmonster, Friday, 18 December 2020 03:39 (three years ago) link
thanks for extending the deadline, charlie. ballot sent!
btw, still lolling at this:
POLLIN doo dah doo, doo dah doo, doo dah do
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Saturday, 19 December 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link
argh. quote, not bold. sorry
all the poll title suggestions deserved to be in bold tbf
― huge rant (sic), Saturday, 19 December 2020 04:30 (three years ago) link
An Aus TV program this week alluded to the fact that "even Nick Cave" licensed a song for TV advertising. Pretty sure I never saw this ad circa 2013. And am kinda puzzled by the choice of that song to sell regional tourism, in SA, of all places.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 December 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
I thought he had expressly said out of respect for his muse he wasn't going to lease songs for ads. Following that up with talking about how his music had personal associations for people like what they would want to get buried to, married to, and soundtrack other significant life events with.Would have thought that would predate 2013 too.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 December 2020 05:49 (three years ago) link
the (original?) "my muse is not a horse" manifesto was about refusing to attend the MTV Awards, but I think there's a basic policy of *only* licensing Red Right Hand. it's been in TV shows since the X-Files in 1994, been the theme for multiple TV shows, been in multiple adverts, various films since Dumb & Dumber in 1994, re-recorded twice for Scream 2 and Scream 3, and was covered by Pete Yorn (instead of licensed) for one of the Hellboys because Cave felt like Scream kinda had title to it by then.
― huge rant (sic), Saturday, 19 December 2020 06:18 (three years ago) link
okay turns out that O Children from Lyre Of Orpheus was used in a Harry Potter movie
you have to figure he'd say yes to that, even there was otherwise a policy against licencing, just for the incongruity
― huge rant (sic), Saturday, 19 December 2020 06:38 (three years ago) link
i saw that Harry Potter movie in the theaters & had to contain my amusement/surprise lmao
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 December 2020 06:54 (three years ago) link
People Ain't No Good was used in Shrek 2.
― pedantly admonishment (aldo), Saturday, 19 December 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link
ok, I have a feeling all the votes are in?
can i ask -- and this is mildly embarrassing -- how to include images in my posts for the rundown ? I think the process has changed since I last ran one of these polls a few years back (Roxy Music or Queen).
― charlie rex, Saturday, 19 December 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Release The Bats was used in Kevin and Perry Go Large to s/trk the inside of Kevin's trousersShivers in Dogs in Space Nick singing though its a Rowland song of course.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 December 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
how to include images in my posts for the rundown ?
for a quick reference, you can click "Show Formatting Help" just below the "Add a Post" box on ILX, and it'll give you the format you need. for a very sloppy "guide", i also made a couple posts the other day with images showing how to do it via imgur:
see this post, and if something doesn't make sense let me know and i can help!
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 December 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link
yeah, Nick actually appearing in the film and singing tends to suggest he's given his approval (cf also Civil Dead, Johnny Suede, Himmel uber Berlin)
(Dogs director Loewenstein also got to use Mercy Seat in his John Birmingham Felafel adap, in two versions - and had Rowland cover Iggy)
― huge rant (sic), Saturday, 19 December 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
think there's a basic policy of *only* licensing Red Right Hand
lol no
uh I still haven't voted yet, I could get you something by tonight (California time) but if I missed the boat, then so be it
― sarahell, Saturday, 19 December 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link
Still time, sarahell ! Tonight your time is ok !Thought you may have already snuck your vote in.
Thanks so much for your help with formatting, Karl !
― charlie rex, Saturday, 19 December 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
thanks will do!
― sarahell, Saturday, 19 December 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
I'm looking forward to this. My grasp of Cave's solo oeuvre still feels patchy despite immersion last month. As a yoof I largely tuned out after Murder Ballads and not much turn-of-the-century stuff made my ballot upon catching up. Later dirges did though! I feel like I'm principally a Birthday Party fan really, but a weird one in that I really like them as a herky-jerky pop group and sometimes get a bit impatient with, say, Junkyard. So I'm anticipating a few "interesting--didn't realise that was so beloved" type moments...
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 December 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link
I sent my ballot --
― sarahell, Sunday, 20 December 2020 05:22 (three years ago) link
took until Sunday afternoon after all :)
― huge rant (sic), Sunday, 20 December 2020 05:37 (three years ago) link
OK cool, I think we're ready to go.
I'll kick this off in an hour or so.
― charlie rex, Sunday, 20 December 2020 05:58 (three years ago) link
oh damn, glad i'll be here for the very beginning! :D :D
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:02 (three years ago) link
TOO LOW
― huge rant (sic), Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:05 (three years ago) link
what is the most doofus nick cave fan? i am that guy in this poll, yelling out for the obvious hits
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:06 (three years ago) link
I feel like this poll must have attracted way more votes from 'strayans (ex-'strayans?) than the Go-Betweens did. Pretty sure I was joined overwhelmingly by Euro/American folk for that one, in terms of submitted ballots anyway. Then again, maybe there were just more ballots overall here?!?!
Which reminds me: I forgot to even consider voting for Tuff Monks!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:29 (three years ago) link
The Tuff Monks is literally a piss-about jam that got bootlegged - with fifteen slots for side projects, it probably can stand to make room for more considered stuff (though I went quixotically tactical on my side-ballot tbh)
Rollout happening here btw: I ain't down here for your love or money, I'm down here for your POLL: The ILM Nick Cave Poll RESULTS Thread (#106 in a series)
― huge rant (sic), Sunday, 20 December 2020 09:13 (three years ago) link
Covers listening and voting thread rolling over here: TOWERS OF SONG: a Nick Cave Sings Covers listening thread and poll
― shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 8 January 2021 03:41 (three years ago) link