ILM's 2010's blindspots

Start your own rolling genre thread and just keep posting in it even if very few others do :)

I think it can be intimidating to realize the hive mind heavily skews towards particular genres/artists/topics at the expense of others (which, to be clear, is a natural and inevitable process in msg borad land!).

Yeah, this is a big factor for me, too. I think the boards these days might be more receptive to a lot of the DIY stuff I've been into over the years, but there were definitely times I couldn't imagine *any* ilx regular caring about it. Even now a lot of stuff I like I'm just... "argh, it's not punk enough for the punk thread and not jangly enough for the indiepop thread, and nobody's going to think it warrants its own". It's always a surprise to see names I've seen loads/played with/am mates with pop up here because I just never think people would be into those things. I'm much more likely to post about experimental/electronic/pop music here, and older stuff that has had time to prove its staying power.

Also some people on here can just write loads of insightful and enthusiastic stuff naturally, whereas my posts are much sparer and less interesting. And having been here so long I'm mindful of the fact that stupid things I have written over a decade ago are still there to be found, so maybe I should just shut up and not risk cringing myself to death later.

I started a moon b thread and I think only Spottie posted to it

my posts are much sparer and less interesting.

Not true at all! I def post too much given my current workload lol but I find that getting such essential contributions as 'PINK FLOYD RULES' and 'yeah, I really enjoyed that album' out of my system actually makes it easier to write longer, more considered posts when the topic calls for it and I feel like I have something to say, whether rightly or wrongly. So I think less self-policing and more solitary enthusiasm (when it comes to talking about how much one Loves Music, of course) is a net plus all around.

xp I've listened to Moon B before and enjoyed it but I don't think I've ever had much to say about it

(I also think it's a little odd that people nom & vote for stuff in a message board's EOY poll that they have never really posted about on the board, but w/e, I'm sure they have their reasons)

what can i say i'm a music consumer not a music critic

(I also think it's a little odd that people nom & vote for stuff in a message board's EOY poll that they have never really posted about on the board, but w/e, I'm sure they have their reasons)

― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), dinsdag 15 december 2020 21:39 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

So much to be enthusiastic about, so little time! That's my "alibi" to be honest. Would love to write more about what I love and why, but.. no time.

I feel like "Mood" by Iann Dior and 24kGolden is a good example of something that would have been a ILX bullseye in the 00s that at the end of the 10s is bypassed or even shitted on

this isn't even shots at forks, well not mainly, bc i kind of 'missed' it too even though i knew it existed and was a big hit and was vaguely good, i didn't really advocate for it or rally behind it like i 'should' have

More for the thread in general as well as acknowledging a personal gap: I think it's interesting that the two TikTok threads are on ILE. Maybe we never really talked about platforms on ILM in the past that weren't exclusively music-focused, but it's a big piece of pop music culture that feels pretty unexamined here (and by me to be clear)

bad buny being a joke entry on top tracks of 2020 is very telling

The fakeouts are all better than anything by Haim.

I fell for it because he’s very good in my book (came close to voting for the first of his 2020 albums), but it still surprised me because I didn’t feel he had that much support on ILM, and I’m also not crazy about that particular track - I think it featured on some prominent EOY list(s) tho

(discussing the bunny here iciwc)

i'm pretty sure "si veo" didn't make too many lists, a very clear filler track from an album with lots of more obvious highlights

feel like you can glean something about the changes in ILM's taste from bad bunny (biggest pop star in the world) being the joke entry and 070 shake (no discernible audience beyond the internet) being the real entry following it up

It's a start.

he had two tracks in the Pitchfork 100 (one at #5<>, yes people), but not this one

<>just one notch higher than “Murder Most Foul” tho, so what does it all even mean?

i'm pretty sure "si veo" didn't make too many lists, a very clear filler track from an album with lots of more obvious highlights

― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:44 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

opening track of the album, he made a video for it. not a filler track, whether or not you think it's any good (it's not one of my favourites on the album either)

1. bad bunny might still make it;

2. idk why but i object to the idea he'd have been an old ILX lock; to me hes more like travis scott, but maybe its just my bias abt the music. i think hes a 'great star' but musically just not exciting to me

ilm has always had big blind spots in popular music but to have the biggest pop star as a joke entry in tracks of the year? beyond parody

oh yea ... i mean tbf i dont understand the joke in those posts at all

the joke entries used to be more deliberate trolling but this time moka went for a different vibe i guess. like in the past it was usually "here's something you all hate lol" with ed sheeran (who is a gigantic pop star) etc. but this year moka went for something more vaguely plausible with bad bunny who people seem just more indifferent about here than active dislike or anything

yeah I didn't want to go on about it (more) in the thread, but the fakes this year were legit confusing to me. like it did not seem implausible to me that the BB track would place, I was just taken aback by the unexpected (false) enthusiasm

opening track of the album, he made a video for it. not a filler track, whether or not you think it's any good (it's not one of my favourites on the album either)

― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:52 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's a hip-hop tradition to have the intro be kind of a nothing track lol, and didn't he make a video for every song on the album?

oh yeah he did make a video for every song but it was one of the first batch to be released iirc

since we're on the topic: I don't speak Spanish, what is happening at the beginning of that video?

this is like when the consensus pick off the Rosalia album was Malamente rather than any of the ensuing tracks, all of which were way better by dint of not being a low-key intro

xp. from memory, it's a new years eve party, a guy is about to hang himself and a kid comes up to him. the gist is: the kid asks him (the dude about to hang himself) what he's doing. he replies that his life is a mess, his family doesn't love him, his friends don't listen to him etc. the kid says "my parents don't listen to me either. you know what i do when im feeling bad? listen to bad bunny". the guy says 'bad who?" or something similar, and the kid says "come, let me show you"

thanks jim

xxp iirc Rosalia had 2 songs - Pienso en tu mira and Malamente back to back in the poll 2 years ago.

also imago, ^that actually happened unlike the Bad Bunny placement

people were sleeping on “Di Mi Nombre”

Yeah Pienso en tu mira banged iirc

"Indie folk" like The Head and the Heart, Avett Brothers, Lord Huron, Dawes, etc.

― jaymc, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:08 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOz3VJD4L0o
I really liked this the first few times I heard it but could imagine getting sick of it.

Still in the Latin American & Caribbean zone, Brazilian funk carioca and its subgenres surely ? The Modern Brazil thread is also not the most active and artists like Elza Soares or Meta Meta do not have threads to their name.
I have also come recently to consider Spanish Pop as its own sub-world, not just as pop that happens to be in Spanish, if that makes sense.
Another could be folk maybe ? Rhiannon Giddens for example does not return any results

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