ILM's 2010's blindspots

Also: Hip™ for Basics

if we're openly stating that entire styles 'deserved to be pushed to the side' then idek what ilm has become

just a whole lot of casual racism, let's be cool

actually it kind of always has been like this about certain bad & hated genres, but turning the guns on pop itself i mean cmon

can't believe we're relitigating this but the casual racism was an obviously cack-handed attempt to satirise racial fetishisation by someone who should have known better, and it was used to condemn the entire musical output of an entire disparate & multiracial bunch of people

let's push rico nasty to the side because of gfoty's awkward failed social commentary

I don't see lo-fi hip-hop as coming out of vaporwave (though there's def a relationship), so much as the eventual diluted endpoint of 'the beat scene' (post-Dilla Low End Theory/Brainfeeder + some UK post-dubstep, then Soulection, etc).

And now it's just algorithmic wallpaper music

does it deserve to be pushed to the side

yeah lo-fi beats to study to is totally hip hop derived

more like lowest-common-denominator-fi!

I was watching a video about an injured cat being nursed back to health after being left in the snow and I like the music and googled it and it was jazz beats to study to. It was really good and now I am enrolled at night school

^the pioneer we never realised

enjoying CAAL's playlist btw! even if it all kind of sounds like Patricia Taxxon but less good lol (she is basically the Bach of EDM innit m8s)

The cat wasn't injured I misremembered, just needed fostering (if anyone is close to Flatbush take a look)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGPa9utFxNA

Tune is at 4 mins.

there was a great hardcore punk scene in the early-mid 2010s mostly based out of nyc (crazy spirit, hank wood and the hammerheads, dawn of human) but also including midwest “egg punk” weirdo bands like lumpy and the dumpers. no one except for me, dj mencap colonel poo ever posted about them on here. i succeeded in getting r|t|c into it but that was the extent of it catching on on ilx. even whiney never posted about them or acknowledged the scene in any writing, a rare gap in his nyc underground rock omniscience (although i give him the BOD and assume he just hated it and didn’t want to acknowledge/give press)

lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.

flopson that is so weird, I just got a Lumpy And The Dumpers flyer as part of a lot and had never heard of them. thanks!

I def wrote about Hank Wood and the Hammerheads

https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/03/10/download-hank-wood-and-the-hammerheads-punk-rock-blast-white-people-from-the-great-cassette-only-new-york-rules-comp/

lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.

― na (NA), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:52 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There’s really no reassessing necessary if you’re looking at the pioneers of the sound; I am curious what diamonds in the rough exist in that scene separate from the beat scene that inspired it tho

lol Saer.

I'm sure that's true re: lo-fi. I feel a particular way about it because I was invested in the '10s stuff that it grew out of, which felt very exciting & fertile for awhile. And I stopped making that sort of music because it began to feel pointless (once the point seemed to be to make anonymous library music for youtube videos & ads). And once it got boiled down to a set of conventions with a dumb genre name.

That said, in the spirit of positivity I was watching a Dark Souls video a few weeks ago and really liked this track, to the point where I still remember it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHtBIIIF3Do

Btw flopson’s answer is a good one that gets at a bit more of what I’m looking for than sort of saying what-about-hugely-popular-thing like post malone or bad bunny... or for that matter pc music, even if they’re not hugely popular

Has there been much talk on here about osquinn? I’m not big I to drain gang/bladee type stuff but I think osquinn’s shit is interesting and it’s probably seen as somewhat adjacent

Deej I think there are still plenty of young fans of 'lo-fi hip-hop' who have their favorites, and also are largely unaware of the beat scene (eg https://www.reddit.com/r/LofiHipHop/)

lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.

― na (NA), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:52 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There’s really no reassessing necessary if you’re looking at the pioneers of the sound; I am curious what diamonds in the rough exist in that scene separate from the beat scene that inspired it tho

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:13 PM (twenty-nine seconds ago)

as much as it would make more sense for, say, Teebs' Ardourto be hailed as a work of unsung genius in 2040, that CFCF project last year that rehabilitated corporate d&b (rather than the pioneers of the sound) made it clear you don't necessarily need diamonds, more just an affective/nostalgic pull due to ubiquity & life soundtracking

i don't think anyone's mentioned osquinn, but they draw a pretty solid line connecting hyperpop with that drain gang scene, both of which have been under-discussed on ilm relative to their prevalence in the broader online discourse

xps

I def wrote about Hank Wood and the Hammerheads

https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/03/10/download-hank-wood-and-the-hammerheads-punk-rock-blast-white-people-from-the-great-cassette-only-new-york-rules-comp/

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:13 PM (seventeen minutes ago)

my bad! this column ruled btw

really most music coming out of post 285 kent brooklyn has been ignored? spanning neohardcore like show me the body to LEYA's deconstructed folk to the myrtle ave party scene (acemo, moma ready et al) nyc music is way better now than its GAPDY ilm heyday, imo but it's all sort of lo fi - although pointedly not to study to

sort of related:

rolling hip hop albums for people clearly doing it wrong

really the 10s was the crest of poptimism and now people are moving on back to more diaristic and lofi stuff so this is an interesting question for ilm. are we going back to ... authenticity? uh oh

Well we don’t seem that excited about post malone or bad bunny either ... we need a new liberalism to chart our way through ... a third way lmao

Xp upchunk- ya i just started an acemoma thread the other day, was surprised there were no previous mentions (other than tracks listed in dj mix track lists)

as much as it would make more sense for, say, Teebs' Ardourto be hailed as a work of unsung genius in 2040, that CFCF project last year that rehabilitated corporate d&b (rather than the pioneers of the sound) made it clear you don't necessarily need diamonds, more just an affective/nostalgic pull due to ubiquity & life soundtracking

― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:17 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Definitely think this is true, but also think that the shifting context will still unearth stuff that is genuinely great and stuff that remains middling ... it might become more obvious once the overall aesthetic window is rehabbed but I don’t think ilm is apt to be excited about any mid tier shit just bc it’s on trend unless it’s new / doing a contemporary pastiche (I mean cfcf isn’t literally the lounge dnb of the era it’s playing off that sound)

flopson I think there at least must have been some mentions of AceMo & MOMA Ready separately?

For it to count as a blind spot for the purposes of this thread, which demographic groups must have been into it, in what countries, and how popular must the genre/subgenre have been exactly?

(ok is my name upchunk now? sorry for my opn posts)

yeah d40 my proposition is that this lost third way was last train to Paris - much better than Clintonism

if we're openly stating that entire styles 'deserved to be pushed to the side' then idek what ilm has become

― imago

older and more mature and now immune to the childish proposition that obsessing over your choices w/r/t cultural consumption is a political act of primary importance?

i post the post-marcberg/griselda/ka/mach hommmy/etc etc stuff on the rap thread but that stuff has never really been ilm

Idk we were always comfortable w old man rap to an extent, I think it’s just been more dominant in media about rap this year than in years past so now the gap seems more noticeable

For it to count as a blind spot for the purposes of this thread, which demographic groups must have been into it, in what countries, and how popular must the genre/subgenre have been exactly?

― pomenitul, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:49 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Thank you for highlighting the subtext of the thread, dunno that it was needed but

i don't really like him but Post Malone has been one of the biggest artists of the decade and you'd never know here

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Ditto for Travis Scott, Halsey and lots of reggaeton/latin trap artists: J Balvin, Bad Bunny, Anuel Aa, Ozuna, Myke Towers, Maluma, etc... there are mentions here and there but you’d never guess they’re in the top 20 most streamed artists of 2020 by looking at ILM

flopson I think there at least must have been some mentions of AceMo & MOMA Ready separately?

― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

a handful yea but still surprisingly few

Thank you for highlighting the subtext of the thread, dunno that it was needed but

It's your thread, so you get to set the rules to some extent.

there's a travis scott thread, idk if ilm or anywhere else on the internet is suffering from lack of discussion of the mcnugget rapper

ts: travis scott meal vs j balvin meal

That Travis Scott thread has 1 post in 2020 and like 4 posts overall. It might as well be gone and noone would notice.

And I don’t care to talk about Travis Scott either, just saying he was in the top 10 most streamed artists of 2020 but he’s virtually non-existent over here.

I think that deal with Fortnite probably inflated his numbers quite a bit.

there was discussion about him in the rap thread when astroworld came out. ilm got most travis scott-related debate out of its system after r*ccoon tan*ki trumpeted days before rodeo as the best mixtape of the decade.

poptimism means caring about what Sophie Ellis Bextor is doing in 2020 but not actually listening to the most popular music

flopson I think there at least must have been some mentions of AceMo & MOMA Ready separately?

― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

a handful yea but still surprisingly few

― flopson, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 3:02 PM (six minutes ago)

when I'm feeling sour about ILM, I'm tempted to say that "contemporary music" is one of its current blindspots. Obvs a wild exaggeration, but I know there will be entries in the eoy poll that have never or barely been discussed (e.g., Jayda G "Both of Us")

can't believe we're relitigating this but the casual racism was an obviously cack-handed attempt to satirise racial fetishisation by someone who should have known better, and it was used to condemn the entire musical output of an entire disparate & multiracial bunch of people

― imago, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:17 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i like how in 2020 u can still raise the pc music bat signal and like clockwork summon a vituperative lj post which inexplicably defensively reference that they are multiracial

when I'm feeling sour about ILM, I'm tempted to say that "contemporary music" is one of its current blindspots. Obvs a wild exaggeration, but I know there will be entries in the eoy poll that have never or barely been discussed (e.g., Jayda G "Both of Us")

― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 3:13 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

eh i like how bobbins thread isn’t so closely aligned with the trendier RA/p4k stuff. lex was a huge Jayda G booster iirc. imo she’s hit or miss as producer and not good as dj

xxp iirc Rosalia had 2 songs - Pienso en tu mira and Malamente back to back in the poll 2 years ago.

also imago, ^that actually happened unlike the Bad Bunny placement

people were sleeping on “Di Mi Nombre”

Yeah Pienso en tu mira banged iirc

"Indie folk" like The Head and the Heart, Avett Brothers, Lord Huron, Dawes, etc.

― jaymc, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:08 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOz3VJD4L0o
I really liked this the first few times I heard it but could imagine getting sick of it.

Still in the Latin American & Caribbean zone, Brazilian funk carioca and its subgenres surely ? The Modern Brazil thread is also not the most active and artists like Elza Soares or Meta Meta do not have threads to their name.
I have also come recently to consider Spanish Pop as its own sub-world, not just as pop that happens to be in Spanish, if that makes sense.
Another could be folk maybe ? Rhiannon Giddens for example does not return any results

nabozo otp