ILM's 2010's blindspots

I have had to listen to this too many times to count, for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSWzpYMKcPs

Yeah, my daughter and her friends listen to this stuff as much as I listened to Motley Crue or whatever when I was her age. Which isn't to say that the artists behind them are as big as those bands, but there is a substantial audience there. I feel like these songs will stick with people and influence them into the future.

Nu narcocorridos I haven’t seen a lot of talk about either on ilm or in the broader conversations of popular music, unlike the stuff like bad bunny et al. But natanael cano & junior h had a real impact on streaming this year and a pretty marginal media profile as well

Some styles ilm has always drifted away from or towards. I think it’s fair to say we didn’t “miss” party through smoke r&b or hyperpop as much as resist it ... altho we could be considered to have “missed” it if everyone comes around on it later, but less so if we’re comfortable with the decision. At least that’s how I’d break it down to an extent

Actually come to think of it I’m not sure what artists you’re talking about w/r/t party through smoke r&b. Weeknd himself had to abandon that style to have sustained success

Every time I hear a new Ichiko Aoba song I feel like it's a song I've carried with me since childhood, she really is the best

Everything that seems to come out of nowhere now is because of TikTok & Dubsmash memes/dances/influencers, right?

that seems likely

i don't really like him but Post Malone has been one of the biggest artists of the decade and you'd never know here

I'm kinda confused why OP suggests PC Music was a blindspot?
(tbh there were PLENTY of reasons the style became maligned and deserved to be pushed to the side imho, reread for classic ILX trainwrecks/pile-ons):

♥☮☯♫ PC MUSIC ♫☯☮♥ ☺☺☺ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°✌
QT - Hey QT

The one genre I think is a legit blindspot (could be my own search ineptitude) is shortly before quarantine I took some grad-school-aged folks out to lunch and they were all raving about lo-fi (vapor/chillwave subgenre), which i'd only encountered as this perpetual youtube live mix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qap5aO4i9A

"Indie folk" like The Head and the Heart, Avett Brothers, Lord Huron, Dawes, etc.

Also: Hip™ for Basics

if we're openly stating that entire styles 'deserved to be pushed to the side' then idek what ilm has become

just a whole lot of casual racism, let's be cool

actually it kind of always has been like this about certain bad & hated genres, but turning the guns on pop itself i mean cmon

can't believe we're relitigating this but the casual racism was an obviously cack-handed attempt to satirise racial fetishisation by someone who should have known better, and it was used to condemn the entire musical output of an entire disparate & multiracial bunch of people

let's push rico nasty to the side because of gfoty's awkward failed social commentary

I don't see lo-fi hip-hop as coming out of vaporwave (though there's def a relationship), so much as the eventual diluted endpoint of 'the beat scene' (post-Dilla Low End Theory/Brainfeeder + some UK post-dubstep, then Soulection, etc).

And now it's just algorithmic wallpaper music

does it deserve to be pushed to the side

yeah lo-fi beats to study to is totally hip hop derived

more like lowest-common-denominator-fi!

I was watching a video about an injured cat being nursed back to health after being left in the snow and I like the music and googled it and it was jazz beats to study to. It was really good and now I am enrolled at night school

^the pioneer we never realised

enjoying CAAL's playlist btw! even if it all kind of sounds like Patricia Taxxon but less good lol (she is basically the Bach of EDM innit m8s)

The cat wasn't injured I misremembered, just needed fostering (if anyone is close to Flatbush take a look)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGPa9utFxNA

Tune is at 4 mins.

there was a great hardcore punk scene in the early-mid 2010s mostly based out of nyc (crazy spirit, hank wood and the hammerheads, dawn of human) but also including midwest “egg punk” weirdo bands like lumpy and the dumpers. no one except for me, dj mencap colonel poo ever posted about them on here. i succeeded in getting r|t|c into it but that was the extent of it catching on on ilx. even whiney never posted about them or acknowledged the scene in any writing, a rare gap in his nyc underground rock omniscience (although i give him the BOD and assume he just hated it and didn’t want to acknowledge/give press)

lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.

flopson that is so weird, I just got a Lumpy And The Dumpers flyer as part of a lot and had never heard of them. thanks!

I def wrote about Hank Wood and the Hammerheads

https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/03/10/download-hank-wood-and-the-hammerheads-punk-rock-blast-white-people-from-the-great-cassette-only-new-york-rules-comp/

lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.

― na (NA), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:52 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There’s really no reassessing necessary if you’re looking at the pioneers of the sound; I am curious what diamonds in the rough exist in that scene separate from the beat scene that inspired it tho

lol Saer.

I'm sure that's true re: lo-fi. I feel a particular way about it because I was invested in the '10s stuff that it grew out of, which felt very exciting & fertile for awhile. And I stopped making that sort of music because it began to feel pointless (once the point seemed to be to make anonymous library music for youtube videos & ads). And once it got boiled down to a set of conventions with a dumb genre name.

That said, in the spirit of positivity I was watching a Dark Souls video a few weeks ago and really liked this track, to the point where I still remember it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHtBIIIF3Do

Btw flopson’s answer is a good one that gets at a bit more of what I’m looking for than sort of saying what-about-hugely-popular-thing like post malone or bad bunny... or for that matter pc music, even if they’re not hugely popular

Has there been much talk on here about osquinn? I’m not big I to drain gang/bladee type stuff but I think osquinn’s shit is interesting and it’s probably seen as somewhat adjacent

Deej I think there are still plenty of young fans of 'lo-fi hip-hop' who have their favorites, and also are largely unaware of the beat scene (eg https://www.reddit.com/r/LofiHipHop/)

lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.

― na (NA), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:52 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There’s really no reassessing necessary if you’re looking at the pioneers of the sound; I am curious what diamonds in the rough exist in that scene separate from the beat scene that inspired it tho

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:13 PM (twenty-nine seconds ago)

as much as it would make more sense for, say, Teebs' Ardourto be hailed as a work of unsung genius in 2040, that CFCF project last year that rehabilitated corporate d&b (rather than the pioneers of the sound) made it clear you don't necessarily need diamonds, more just an affective/nostalgic pull due to ubiquity & life soundtracking

i don't think anyone's mentioned osquinn, but they draw a pretty solid line connecting hyperpop with that drain gang scene, both of which have been under-discussed on ilm relative to their prevalence in the broader online discourse

xps

I def wrote about Hank Wood and the Hammerheads

https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/03/10/download-hank-wood-and-the-hammerheads-punk-rock-blast-white-people-from-the-great-cassette-only-new-york-rules-comp/

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:13 PM (seventeen minutes ago)

my bad! this column ruled btw

really most music coming out of post 285 kent brooklyn has been ignored? spanning neohardcore like show me the body to LEYA's deconstructed folk to the myrtle ave party scene (acemo, moma ready et al) nyc music is way better now than its GAPDY ilm heyday, imo but it's all sort of lo fi - although pointedly not to study to

sort of related:

rolling hip hop albums for people clearly doing it wrong

really the 10s was the crest of poptimism and now people are moving on back to more diaristic and lofi stuff so this is an interesting question for ilm. are we going back to ... authenticity? uh oh

Well we don’t seem that excited about post malone or bad bunny either ... we need a new liberalism to chart our way through ... a third way lmao

Xp upchunk- ya i just started an acemoma thread the other day, was surprised there were no previous mentions (other than tracks listed in dj mix track lists)

as much as it would make more sense for, say, Teebs' Ardourto be hailed as a work of unsung genius in 2040, that CFCF project last year that rehabilitated corporate d&b (rather than the pioneers of the sound) made it clear you don't necessarily need diamonds, more just an affective/nostalgic pull due to ubiquity & life soundtracking

― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:17 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Definitely think this is true, but also think that the shifting context will still unearth stuff that is genuinely great and stuff that remains middling ... it might become more obvious once the overall aesthetic window is rehabbed but I don’t think ilm is apt to be excited about any mid tier shit just bc it’s on trend unless it’s new / doing a contemporary pastiche (I mean cfcf isn’t literally the lounge dnb of the era it’s playing off that sound)

flopson I think there at least must have been some mentions of AceMo & MOMA Ready separately?

For it to count as a blind spot for the purposes of this thread, which demographic groups must have been into it, in what countries, and how popular must the genre/subgenre have been exactly?

(ok is my name upchunk now? sorry for my opn posts)

yeah d40 my proposition is that this lost third way was last train to Paris - much better than Clintonism

if we're openly stating that entire styles 'deserved to be pushed to the side' then idek what ilm has become

― imago

older and more mature and now immune to the childish proposition that obsessing over your choices w/r/t cultural consumption is a political act of primary importance?

i post the post-marcberg/griselda/ka/mach hommmy/etc etc stuff on the rap thread but that stuff has never really been ilm

Idk we were always comfortable w old man rap to an extent, I think it’s just been more dominant in media about rap this year than in years past so now the gap seems more noticeable

For it to count as a blind spot for the purposes of this thread, which demographic groups must have been into it, in what countries, and how popular must the genre/subgenre have been exactly?

― pomenitul, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:49 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Thank you for highlighting the subtext of the thread, dunno that it was needed but

i don't really like him but Post Malone has been one of the biggest artists of the decade and you'd never know here

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Ditto for Travis Scott, Halsey and lots of reggaeton/latin trap artists: J Balvin, Bad Bunny, Anuel Aa, Ozuna, Myke Towers, Maluma, etc... there are mentions here and there but you’d never guess they’re in the top 20 most streamed artists of 2020 by looking at ILM

flopson I think there at least must have been some mentions of AceMo & MOMA Ready separately?

― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

a handful yea but still surprisingly few

Thank you for highlighting the subtext of the thread, dunno that it was needed but

It's your thread, so you get to set the rules to some extent.

ilm has always had big blind spots in popular music but to have the biggest pop star as a joke entry in tracks of the year? beyond parody

oh yea ... i mean tbf i dont understand the joke in those posts at all

the joke entries used to be more deliberate trolling but this time moka went for a different vibe i guess. like in the past it was usually "here's something you all hate lol" with ed sheeran (who is a gigantic pop star) etc. but this year moka went for something more vaguely plausible with bad bunny who people seem just more indifferent about here than active dislike or anything

yeah I didn't want to go on about it (more) in the thread, but the fakes this year were legit confusing to me. like it did not seem implausible to me that the BB track would place, I was just taken aback by the unexpected (false) enthusiasm

opening track of the album, he made a video for it. not a filler track, whether or not you think it's any good (it's not one of my favourites on the album either)

― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:52 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's a hip-hop tradition to have the intro be kind of a nothing track lol, and didn't he make a video for every song on the album?

oh yeah he did make a video for every song but it was one of the first batch to be released iirc

since we're on the topic: I don't speak Spanish, what is happening at the beginning of that video?

this is like when the consensus pick off the Rosalia album was Malamente rather than any of the ensuing tracks, all of which were way better by dint of not being a low-key intro

xp. from memory, it's a new years eve party, a guy is about to hang himself and a kid comes up to him. the gist is: the kid asks him (the dude about to hang himself) what he's doing. he replies that his life is a mess, his family doesn't love him, his friends don't listen to him etc. the kid says "my parents don't listen to me either. you know what i do when im feeling bad? listen to bad bunny". the guy says 'bad who?" or something similar, and the kid says "come, let me show you"

thanks jim

xxp iirc Rosalia had 2 songs - Pienso en tu mira and Malamente back to back in the poll 2 years ago.

also imago, ^that actually happened unlike the Bad Bunny placement

people were sleeping on “Di Mi Nombre”

Yeah Pienso en tu mira banged iirc

"Indie folk" like The Head and the Heart, Avett Brothers, Lord Huron, Dawes, etc.

― jaymc, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:08 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOz3VJD4L0o
I really liked this the first few times I heard it but could imagine getting sick of it.

Still in the Latin American & Caribbean zone, Brazilian funk carioca and its subgenres surely ? The Modern Brazil thread is also not the most active and artists like Elza Soares or Meta Meta do not have threads to their name.
I have also come recently to consider Spanish Pop as its own sub-world, not just as pop that happens to be in Spanish, if that makes sense.
Another could be folk maybe ? Rhiannon Giddens for example does not return any results

nabozo otp