hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

Or do you just not get inference?

not surprised apple killed this. apple tv is an incoherent brand, but this seems like the kind of thing they would not do, even if it weren't for a probably justified grudge held by the CEO against gawker.

i do think it's stupid to cancel cord jefferson's first show if you're lucky enough to get it despite the fact that your network is basically a failure. but apple does stupid stuff all the time so whatever.

"trying to get the dude you harassed for years to pay your salary is at best a reach"

it's also ... not what happened?

Are you arguing that the quote i excerpted isn’t asserting that the Gawker people have the right to have Apple Pay for their series?

― DJP, Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:16 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Or do you just not get inference?

― DJP, Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:17 PM (twenty-four minutes ago)

no your analogy was just laughably facile

I am also not surprised cook killed this. if I were he I'd have killed it too obviously. but it would have been funny if he never found out!

sounds like they already had a few episodes in the can, not exactly a tight ship over there (i know apple tv is this ridiculous boondoggle but still.....)

or maybe just a few finished episode scripts idk

Well like defector it’s basically a turnkey proposition for *checks notes* ROKU TV?

xp didn't sound like anyone filmed anything

yeah i guess it was just the writing part
https://deezlinks.substack.com/p/q-and-a-with-cord-jefferson-to-really

"I’ve been in one writers’ room for my own show, Scraper, that we did from March to August, all over Zoom. We got the job done, and I was happy with the work that we did, but for me, one of the nice things about the job that I do is the camaraderie I get to have with people in the writers’ room and on set. When you’re not able to do that in person, you miss out on part of the joy, so I’m desperate to get back."

Gawker was 20% pioneering new media and 80% toxic gossip, class warfare, clickbait and gross public shaming of people who didn't rise to the level of public figure

I hugely admire Nick Denton, but everyone who worked for Gawker is tainted by its history. Glad that Apple did this https://t.co/qrrSYOexoE

— Chris Anderson (@chr1sa) December 14, 2020

No, many outlets do great journalism about class disparities (e.g., ProPublica, WNYC, NYT). But snarky pieces that generate clicks by making people angry and envious don't do anything to advance equality or inform readers.

— Ryan Radia (@RyanRadia) December 14, 2020

Many dumb people are still mad at Gawker.

I no longer want to know the dumb thoughts of dumb people

i don't know why everyone's assuming the premise of this show is "gawker was unambiguously good".

Giving Gawker the Good Night and Good Luck treatment would be hilarious, though.

Citizen Denton with Max as Joseph Cotten/Jedediah

if they do end up getting picked up by a different network, this will probably end up being a good thing for the show. i had appletv free for a month and there was nothing i would conceive of watching a minute of on it

Scraper on Quibi

toxic gossip, class warfare, clickbait and gross public shaming of people who didn't rise to the level of public figure

hmmmmm one of these things is not like the others

It’s only class warfare when non-wealthy people fight back.

To be frank, I actually agreed with Gawker's stance of outing prominent people, and so anyone holding a grudge over that can get fucked.

i'm willing to believe Cook acted on his personal distaste for the site and that made sense

however, the comments I've seen from people highly-placed in the tech industry on tech journalism as a field are unequivocally disinterested in anything other than fluff pieces on their companies, their funding, and the work environment

it was only this past week that someone (I believe at google) was whining about a tech reporter asking if employees would be interested in anonymously speaking about the work culture of the company, saying that if they wanted to be a real journalist they'd be contacting corporate PR to connect them to the right people

of the exposees or even simple "inside baseball" style articles (see: a bunch of the stuff on our silicon valley thread), very few that target a company larger than a start-up that sells luggage (like The Verge did) exist. occasionally the nytimes or one of their peers runs an article, but they've got enough clout to do so without getting sued or cut out of coverage

there's also an ongoing gripe from tech people that covering larger companies (google, facebook, etc.) in terms of social environment or how people use their products isn't, again, "real journalism"

for all the flaws, there are too few descendants of Valleywag and the like

otm

I guess The Verge, among others, did dig pretty deeply into the Foxconn/Wisconsin deal but I feel like Foxconn is a different sort of target in that they don't deal directly with consumers and are located in China

There’s always the register

sort of bizarre to see people on this board still caring about this

well, one of the two people pitching the show was ilx's own

max is a good dude and also double-plus obese

Uh?

check your privilege, Ned

sort of bizarre to see people on this board still caring about this

tim cook is GAY?

succession already did the perfect gawker story

gay cook is Tim?

we all must cook on thermal interface material

yknow, I woulda thought that there would have been a comprehensive book about Gawker by now… I have to think that more than one neo-Robert Draper would have pitched it, but I wonder if publishers don't want Charles Harder fucking with them, or if Peter Thiel has similarly made it known that life would difficult should such a project proceed… if Cook is still sore, than perhaps a bunch of big shots are too and it would be too hot for publishers to handle… but it's one helluva story re: an era defining enterprise…

Well there’s a Netflix feature documentary

attempting to pitch it as a TV drama first was the right move imo -- a book just falls back into the same pool of readers who already half-know the story (or think they do) and have (too) many of them of them come to terms with how things turned out

i mean lol me for even saying or thinking this but the dramatic arc is literally old-school tragic in form

comments are closed

it will be like mad men, but jon hamm->james corden and scotch->monster energy drink.

sort of bizarre to see people on this board still caring about this

new borad description

alternately, just paste it into a position:fixed div and let it hover in every thread on every topic for all times

if they do end up getting picked up by a different network, this will probably end up being a good thing for the show. i had appletv free for a month and there was nothing i would conceive of watching a minute of on it

― flopson, Monday, December 14, 2020 2:09 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ted lasso is v good but will not alleviate concerns abt the critical capacities of Apple tv

toxic gossip, class warfare, clickbait and gross public shaming of people

it truly was a great website

rip

uhhh

https://jezebel.com/who-forgot-to-invite-chun-li-to-the-mortal-kombat-1846300631

this looked like an obvious joke post that an editor later shat on

it was published at 4:20pm

Journalism

Big Defector update via Margaret Sullivan in the Washington Post. In sum, it's doing quite well for now:

And vital encouragement came when the group first announced its intentions to start a new site: More than 10,000 people immediately signed up as subscribers (the entry level is $8 a month; it costs a bit more for those who want to comment on stories). Tens of thousands of others would follow — enough to pay for the $50,000 minimum salaries of more than 20 staffers. Higher “target salaries” depend on the success of the site and on particular job responsibilities.

Subscriptions provide the only form of revenue. The site has no ads, and hasn’t resorted to any membership campaigns in the tradition of public television.

Each of the founding employees holds a financial stake in the company of about 5 percent; new staffers get a somewhat smaller share but all have an equal vote in major decisions. A two-thirds vote of the staff could result in editor Tom Ley’s firing.

“That’s terrifying and comforting at the same time,” Ley told me. “There is the possibility of me screwing stuff up, which is the scary part.” But, he says, if the staff does fire him, “at least it will be because of me,” not because of a corporate decision from on high.

I asked Ley whether he thought Defector would still be around in three years. He admitted that he’s hopeful but uncertain.

“There is going to be a white-knuckle moment of truth” at the one-year mark next summer, he said, when the initial one-year subscriptions expire.

Also recently hired Laura Wagner and Kalyn Kahler.

Each of the founding employees holds a financial stake in the company of about 5 percent; new staffers get a somewhat smaller share but all have an equal vote in major decisions. A two-thirds vote of the staff could result in editor Tom Ley’s firing.

“That’s terrifying and comforting at the same time,” Ley told me. “There is the possibility of me screwing stuff up, which is the scary part.” But, he says, if the staff does fire him, “at least it will be because of me,” not because of a corporate decision from on high.

this is the most FOUNDING FATHERS vibe i've felt in so long. fuck yeah for people who actually believe in democracy

The power of charging people to post cannot be denied. Maybe something for ILX to consider - a $1 toll to gain posting privileges on a thread.

Gawker's coming back https://t.co/Z2XQ21BmlA pic.twitter.com/fOJm9hqBVi

— Ben Smith (@benyt) April 11, 2021