Cyberpunk 2077

details matter cd projekt needs to do better

C'mon @CyberpunkGame, of all the bugs, this is the worst! There may be some canon reason why German manhole covers are used in Night City. But, please, DIN B125 is only allowed approved for pedestrian walkways. On roads, it should be a Begu D400 to support the weight! pic.twitter.com/i3nl0bn0vF

— Wintermute (@ClipperChip) December 11, 2020

from a great distance, eurogamer review seemed likely the most honest one i've seen
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-12-10-cyberpunk-2077-review-intoxicating-potential-half-undermined-half-met

it's almost as if they should have delayed it's release to kill the bugs

*ducks*

“There seem to only be a handful of items to be found in Cyberpunk 2077's world: playing cards, alcohol, junk food, and an absolute sea of dildos.”

so is it worth getting a refund on the base PS4 version, or better to just wait out for updates and patches? i just wonder if the game mechanics themselves will be improved, or if all they're going to do is to prevent it crashing and glitching? so far, the whole thing feels really unfinished

I have a feeling the last gen releases aren’t going to get much better, performance wise. But I believe those with a PS4 version can upgrade it for free to the PS5 version whenever that’s officially released. If that matters to you.

Seems like there’s plenty to bitch about unrelated to bugs or performance issues. Like the car stuff is apparently pretty crappy. And car traffic has basically non-existent AI. Like you can shoot at people’s cars and they don’t really react. And they look like they’re tethered together like train cars going along a track. They also awkwardly pivot along a center axis. Cops apparently just “warp in” when you commit a crime. Pedestrian AI appears comically rough too. For a game that’s all about immersion, there’s a lot breaking it.

yeah... i mean, i can forgive bugs and glitches so long as they're not game-breaking and they get fixed with updates... but from the very beginning (and bear in mind i've played it all of 90 minutes) there's already a feeling that something's off.

the UI is fiddly. tiny boxes vs an over-sensitive cursor means i have trouble clicking on the thing i want it to. yet at other times it doesn't seem to respond to what i press until i hit the button for the third time. i also experienced some drift in the menu sections which i don't on other games.
as well as this, there's a fuzzy, slightly flashy quality to the menu borders that gives me a headache whenever i try to read any of the netrunner emails.

NPCs don't seem to respond in any sort of realistic way. in Witcher 3, people jump out the way, or spit, curse, make remarks etc. here, you can walk right up to someone and breathe in their face and they'll continue idling away in their animation loop, dead eyed and doing nothing. you have to be exactly the right distance away to initiate a "talk" option, and it doesn't always seem to work.

the short amount of time i was in a car was horrible. a ridiculous amount of acceleration but handles really strangely and unlike anything i've played in other games.

really, it's as though the fundamental details haven't been drilled down on at all. there's certainly a plan of a game here, but it's entirely surface-level and feels like an undeveloped industry demo. i'm not expecting better graphics (they could be less headache inducing, mind), but just a similar level of detail to Witcher or GTA would be great.

It is absolutely 100% a proof of the power of built-up goodwill that this apology for intentionally hiding the state of a game on 25% of launch platforms & likely crunching another two months for good boy tokens is going over so well with folks. Kudos for the refund thing, tho. https://t.co/RwrIIdTj11

— Rami Ismail (رامي) (@tha_rami) December 14, 2020

Their sly alt-right dogwhistles probably shored up a lot of that existing goodwill with a large % of their fanbase who are normally the type of people to get very animated about this shit

lol this wheelchair clip

pic.twitter.com/60hqo7JdLx

— Alex Prior 3̷͉͇̮͆̑́̓̓̋͗̇̚4̸̲̻̬̞̪̩̟̙͍̼̻̾̔̍͋̆͗͒̔̋͌͜͠ (@Alex_Prior_0) December 14, 2020

Alt right dogwhistles?

i guess making out that disabled people are on the make is one thing...

the irony of those memes from a couple of years ago featuring bodged jobs accompanied by the Cyberpunk logo is really coming into its own now

witcher 3 was a mess at release, this will probably be worse if the number of times its been delayed is any indication

― ciderpress, Monday, December 7, 2020 11:27 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

we all knew this was a likely possibility

I loved the background for the Underground ttrpg which took lots of cyberpunk (and early 1990s) tropes and just turned everything up to 11. The system was such utter shite, though.

this game is for ballers only thats why losers hate it

This is currently my favorite Cyberpunk bug. Driving around and seeing my characters bare ass t-posing through the car. pic.twitter.com/9frIi4XDve

— CyberManLives (@Ggdograa) December 13, 2020

As my graphics card has passed into obsolescence (and try buying a GPU at any discount in 2020), I've been watching most of the plot through twitch streams. On the high-end PCs of streamers, there haven't been game-breaking bugs, and on sorted systems, only the occasional graphics bug. Clearly C77 was developed on, and for, PCs first.

My sense is that I love visiting the urban design of C77, but the main plot is on tracks and I don't care for the player's character (or Keanu's) at all. Hopefully, by the time I buy this on discount there will be a DLC that provides an entirely new protagonist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunk_ooc/comments/kchecd/lol/

car suplex

Alt right dogwhistles?

https://www.polygon.com/2020/12/4/22058784/cyberpunk-2077-marketing-cd-projekt-red-transphobia

That's pretty bad, yeah, albeit not exactly unexpected coming from a studio based in Andrzej Duda land.

i'm enjoying this tbh. possibly the best deus ex since deus ex (title previously held by dishonored), tho you prob have Too Many Powers. jury's still out on the decision to make it a gta at the same time: on the one hand you have the usual vast blandness settling in; on the other the star of the game is obviously the city itself (a metaphor for whatever) and a dx/witcher1-2 hubs+dungeons structure would have limited its character. (this is the structure of vampire the masquerade bloodlines, a game with a lot to do with this one-- including the way it's on rails but coy about it-- but whose los angeles is just nothing compared to what's brought off here. the ~verticality~ alone.) can't rly speak to the character development / stat system yet; suspect i'll become a big mushy superhero before long, oh well.

the cover system (just, like... crouch behind things... what a concept) warms my 90s-shooter heart. combat in general is pretty damn fun imo for something that's ultimately a janky borderlands.

story seems like nothing special but a serviceable hanger for the environment. i haven't played the tabletop game but posts upthread are otm that its universe is full of 80s cliches-- at the same time the video game's vision of hyperhypercapitalism obviously has a lot of more recent stuff feeding into it ("gotta respect the office!" the deb of night update on the loading screen keeps saying sarcastically, but presumably impotently, about the president) and i def prefer it to grand theft auto's (it uses puerility better) as well as to nu-deus-ex's (people in the street talk about something besides goddam augmentations) as grotesque funhouse mirrors go, tho of course you wouldn't be wrong if you said this particular funhouse mirror became nothing but loving the cage a long time ago.

there doesn't seem to be much meaningful c+c in the story-- just flavor dialogue options-- tho the dialogue is just well-written enough in its forced choices to avoid that fallout 4 feeling of being worked on by an incompetent magician, or having a nightmare. playing a FEMALE-VOICED PERSON and it's nice to play a game like this without having to listen to a geralt/jensen/batman/whoever rasp.

the worst bugs i've experienced have all been text pop-ups refusing to go away. well and that i suspect you can't toggle standing/crouching while reloading. i had to turn all the settings to low, v shameful, but it runs fine; it looks like fallout 3, except, yknow, populated, and you can walk thru doors.

i got better at driving but it's probably a problem that it's not more fun.

oh i haven't had a BRAINDANCE since the one that's just a tutorial for BRAINDANCING but that whole thing def had potential even if it's arguably just a cutscene with some busywork. preferred it to, idk, walking around looking for l.a. noire hotspots.

someone mentioned Killer Mike turning up in this game and it makes so much sense. This is "Run The Jewels, The Game": over-loud, claustrophobic, edgelordy, lacking weight, and hard to endure for more than ten minutes at a time.

y'all otm. Enjoying this a bit at a time. It will probably take me a year or two to beat the story.

Only 3 stars in The Guardian, heh:

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/dec/16/cyberpunk-2077-review-cd-projekt

I'm usually wary of reviewers who take dystopias to task for not being utopias (see: Blade Runner 2049, but Stuart is careful to point out that the execution here is shallow and unconvincing, which… doesn't exactly surprise me, but it still sucks.

been watching a bit on twitch and honestly bar the driving this looks good. dumb story and dialogue stuff that can be a bit edgelord, but coming from the perspective of loving the GTA series not anything I'm not used to.

i'm probably never going to play this game, at least not for the next 10 years, but i've been dropping in twitch streams and there's something about it that i just find deeply unsettling. not in an intentional way, the game world just sort of repulses me and makes me want to stop watching. i think it's maybe two things:

1. i think i just don't like full environment raytracing. it might be getting to a point where the entire game world is entering the uncanny valley. and it all looks very wet. the last generation of graphical achievement resulted in characters that always looked sweaty, now we get whole environments that always look sweaty.
2. based entirely on randomly jumping into different streams, every square inch of the game world seems to follow a really strict design sense that makes it cyberpunky. it's extremely cyberpunky. there's no variance at all. there's something suffocating about the prospect of exploring a massive game world where every location seems interchangeable. the general raytracey sweatiness might make that worse though. the thing about movies like blade runner is you only spend 2 hours with them, you only see the dozen or so locations the filmmaker wants you to see allowing you to extrapolate the rest of the world. actually wandering around the extrapolated parts seems tiresome

There's also the part of the game that looks like Mad Max.

yeah i've found the environment to be very samey for all the work they apparently put into it and yes, a bit unpleasant

So apparently there are dildos intentionally scattered all over this game, built in but also as random drops, because ... reasons? This game seems super weird without being the least bit weird.

Kinda mad that I'm never going to see the "What 2077 was supposed to look like / How 2077 turned out to be" memes in 57 years.

they will be unbearable if there's a dildo shortage that year

Hoo, maybe I should be glad that I won't be around.

"sweaty environments" is very dead on

Kinda mad that I'm never going to see the "What 2077 was supposed to look like / How 2077 turned out to be" memes in 57 years.

Someone in the game is 158 years old so if the medicine side of things is accurate maybe u will!

Its based on a 1988 tabletop roleplaying IP.

A year before James Hansen's congressional testimony on climate change. This future, as envisioned 30+ years ago, feels of nostalgia for that 80s. A dark future, to be sure, but still more optimistic about technological advance than might be speculated today. Three decades of tech incrementalism, Moore's law coming to an end, and looming environmental collapse, has displaced the concerns of 80s cyberpunk fiction. I think Paolo Bacigalupi will be regarded as way more spot on than William Gibson ever was.

One of the things I find most boneheaded in the game is that all of the vehicles are internal combustion. I'd like a mod that replaces the engine sounds with electric vehicle whines. And contra the Blade Runner franchise, the real future LA won't be a humid/sweaty place, indeed water will be increasingly scarce. I expect in 2077 corporations will still be evil, but as today they'll manipulate consumers/voters with implicit consent, indeed many/most will seek to live in an alternate reality, in which their personal troubles can be blamed on anti-corporatists. There may be widespread use of updated versions of Google Glass, but very few who aren't blind or deaf will choose implants. The "hard problem" in AI will remain hard: there will still be humans in the loop translating machine learning/data mining to consumer/voter manipulation.

I don't think CDPR was trying for predictive accuracy, although I'm sure they included some nods to current trends to keep that sense of vertigo. At this point, as many have noted, cyberpunk is just nostalgia for a past in which the future was going to be cool. Why would they include electric cars or anything else from the looming boring dystopia we actually face?

Does Keanu get a big kickback every time someone makes something cyberpunk? Cyberpunk/VR/all that shit is so boring and played out. They should have made it "Cyberpunk 20-amillion," and just treated it as a blank slate.

y'all ready for some nerd braggin? i still have my copy from high school ...

https://i.imgur.com/OC4mZvD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sgX3JZE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W5pcNEp.jpg

OMG, I'm such an idiot.

When y'all were saying it used to be a tabletop game...

https://i.imgur.com/j7M7mHh.jpg

... and I was thinking, How come I've never played this before?

I would probably play a video game based on the Fantasy Flight Android world.

playing cyberpunk2020 on a ms pac-man-style tabletop unit in a pizza parlor in 1990 would have been so sick though

yakuza 28 minigame

Pplains I made the same mistake

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/

Sony are issuing full refunds for everyone who bought it on Playstation. I was quite enjoying it on PS4 despite it being an unfinished mess, happy to get £50 back before xmas tbf. Wonder if they can force an uninstall from user accounts.

lol

I asked for my money back and received a short no-reply boilerplate saying they were fixing the game, but nothing else

Didn't expect this game to be an ET on the Atari 2600 level disaster, quite spectacular.

oh man it's vaporwaring. #aesthetic!

wowwwww what a fustercluck

The link to the refund page came up as a 404 on my first try. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL