Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

The other Spideys are showing up, too. Tobey & Garfield

One of the funniest jokes in The Good Place was in a flashback to the early 2000s... someone invites Kristen Bell’s character to see Spider-Man 2, and she’s like, “They made another Spider-Man movie? What for?”

for some reason I read that as Charlie Day

― DJP

it's sort of amazing that he's managed not to be cast in an MCU thing already actually xp

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.)

Word is they might be after a new Wolverine...

Tobey's the holdout so far, probably wants more $$$

I mean, maybe I'll warm on the concept if Garfield goes the Jake Johnson role and packs on 35-40 pounds to be the out of shape Spidey.

I'm just spitballing here but I'm guessing these will mostly be cameos.

Oh I'm sure. I guess good on Maguire for holding out for his $15 million cameo though.

$20m if he reprises

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Stayin' Alive

it's sort of amazing that he's managed not to be cast in an MCU thing already actually xp

I'd say he bet all his marbles on Pacific Rim (Idris Elba had the sense to play a character who died so he wouldn't get tied to the franchise)

I thought my joek was pretty mild, sic, compared to the umpteenth hyperbolic claim

tbf you went hyperbolic in the very first post after the OP invitation to discuss whether these are classic or dud, which also provided an option for people to express their extreme cultural fatigue with the premise. If we're thread-policing, perhaps you shouldn't parachute into an explicit Dud or Exhausting? thread in order to melt down at the prospect of anyone expressing disdain or exhaustion, before anyone else has even had a chance to express enthusiasm, or in lieu of doing so yourself?



I was referring to there only being #OneSpidey in the sixties thru the eighties

yeah I was mainly throwing a drive-by annotation in for general thread-cruisers (there was also a TV adaptation of Spider-Verse in 2015, I found out while checking the dates!)

But: Ditko wrote & drew the #onespidey from 1962 to 1966; mostly-Romita-and-Lee, with a few Kane and Houseroy issues, wrote it until 1971; Gerry Conway became the third credited writer, and introduced the first alt.spidey in 1975. Then the symbiote Spidey started pranking Parker in 1984, and has never left. Spider-Woman's ongoing series started in 1978, and Spider-Ham's ongoing launched in 1985, two years after the Marvel Tails one-shot. That's a lot of generations growing up and old with multiSpideys running around in the comics, and he wasn't unusual in Marvel to have gone his first 22 years with only one main version.



Considering we keep it to one rolling thread at a time to cover multiple films a year, and now multiple upcoming TV series, it's not like ILM is getting flooded with obnoxious MCU threads.

#onethread

Terence Howard is... Iron Man

Edward Norton IS "The Incredible Hulk"

It's never too early to anticipate IRON MAN

It's never too early to anticipate IRON MAN 2

Od's Blood! Hath ILE no thread for anticipation of Kenneth Branagh's THOR? Verily?

Is it time for us nerds to start anticipating THE AVENGERS, directed by Joss Whedon?

just going to go ahead and have a Captain America: The Movie thread

It's always too early to anticipate Patty Jenkins's THOR 2

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. -- Marvel meets Joss Whedon meets...TV!

Od's Blood! Hath ILE no thread for anticipation of THOR 2: The Dark World? Verily?

We got Ant-Man movie

also just going to go ahead and have a Captain America: The Winter Soldier thread

The Avengers 2 -- Age of Ultron

Guardians of the Galaxy: Marvel mess in the making?

Benedict Cumberbatch IS Doctor Strange.

Radar Love: DAREDEVIL show on NETFLIX

Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

Marvel's Jessica Jones

Od's Blood! Hath ILE no thread for anticipation of THOR: RAGNAROK? Verily?

Marvel's Luke Cage

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

Latest entry in the NETFLIX MARVEL GRITVERSE: Iron Fist

MARVEL GRITVERSE ASSEMBLE: The Defenders TV show

MARVEL TV HAIRVERSE ASSEMBLE: Inhumans

Black Panther (2018), dir Ryan Coogler

Avengers: Infinity War

We got Ant-Man and the Wasp movie

Now let us celebrate the angry white male mass shooter: THE PUNISHER on Netflix

Come anticipate animated Miles Morales in SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE with me
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
So, _Spider-Man_ then...
Doc Ock loves you, Spider-Man fans
Spider-Man 3 anticipation begins...now
What will happen in Spider-Man 3
NEW Spider-Man 3 Trailer
https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=57&threadid=1828
paul-bon victor uncredited cameo spider-man 3
Spider-Man 4 -- whether you like it or not
Spider-Man 4 (reboot thread) -- aka The Amazing Spider-Man
Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

Captain Marvel (2019), dir. Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck

Hulu's Non-Gritty Animated Marvel Universe: Pick Your Poison

Od's Blood! Hath ILE no thread for anticipation of THOR 4? Verily?

We got third Ant-Man movie

come anticipate scarjo as black widow in BLACK WIDOW, marvel studios' movie about black widow starring black widow

We got lots of threads.

(Did I start half of these? Feels like it.)

xxp Agree the symbiote adds a sort-of wrinkle; less so about Jessica Drew (she had no relation to Spidey beyond the name), though Julia Carpenter fits the bill more closely (1984, same year / issue(?) as the symbiote). Spider-Ham? lol, I guess. My point was more than James Rhodes was Iron Man for a spell in the '80s; Steve Rogers was replaced by that Super-Patriot dude; Beta Ray Bill was kicking around; etc. -- but Spider-Man was always just the one guy. (I recognize that, my childhood aside, there have been multiple Spider-Folks for longer now than there was orginally just one.)

lol @ sic spending the time and energy to search up threads from fifteen years ago to prove me wrong. imagine putting that much energy in being a complete asshole online.

I mean, jesus christ dude. For something that you ostensibly hate so much, that's an insane level of dedication to proving a point.

sic, if I've ever engaged in hyperbole I will eat not just my own hat but also eight million other hats.

But for real, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the idea was, more recently anyway, an attempt to consolidate things in these threads so we didn't have dozens of threads about the MCU stuff. But I'm sufficiently shamed now by sic, so I'll ask for permission before I post about the MCU again.

Yeah, you're correct: there's currently just this thread and, when/if it's ever released, the Black Widow thread will probably be revived. But sic-yphus gotta keep pushing that boulder.

something that you ostensibly hate so much

??! I don't hate you - I recognise your name as a regular long-term poster, but don't even have a conception of your general vibe or particular interests, let alone any animus.

insane level of dedication to proving a point

while searching them up in between bites of lunch I did think "even if this guy hasn't missed these before & thus appreciate the chance to catch up, it'll probably be handy for one of the megathreads to have an index"

xp

also for indexing purposes: Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

currently just this thread and, when/if it's ever released, the Black Widow thread

tbf you do keep pointing out why there is only one current thread

this franchise that hasn't had a new entry in (checks) 1.5 years now.

(I thought there was also a WandaVision thread, but I couldn't find it, possibly because there's a ™ in the title that makes it unsearchable or s/t?)




(also tbf from now on I might remember j/v/c's vibe as "called me an asshole for helpfully linking dozens of threads he was intersted in")

Oh come on, don't even try to pretend that was your reasoning.

AAAANYway. Lost amidst today's Star Wars blitz was the announcement of three new Disney+ MCU shows: Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, and Ironheart. Would be nice if even just one of the Disney+ series aired at some point.

And also the director of the Spidey flicks will be helming the FF threeboot, which I assume means that that's actually going into production soon.

Oh and Maslany confirmed for She-Hulk after the earlier denials.

(BRB, gonna go start separate threads for all these MCUs)

...Infinite Crisis style

“sic-Prime is taken into the custody of the ILX Mods, who place him in a quantum containment field, surrounded by a red Sun-Eater and guarded by 50 Green Lanterns. While inside his cell, he carves the Zing symbol into his chest, vowing to escape.”

Looks like there's more stuff that got announced, like Christian Bale as the baddie in Thor 4 and Kang the Conqueror being in Ant Man 3. That dude is a time traveler, right? Plus you've got Loki bouncing all over ... I assume the time travel/multiverse is the only way they can tie together all these loose strands/characters, and TV seems to be a good place to do it. Wouldn't be surprised if all these Disney+ shows will by default comprise "Phase 4," culminating in the (re) introduction of the Fantastic Four, who come packaged with a few of the best intergalactic level villains.

Even with Sandman finally in production at Netflix after three decades of development, we don't have to wait til next year to see it done right:

Saturday, December 12, 7 PM EST on YouTube: #Sleepwalker Episode 01: https://t.co/JMCzF5ObBJ
Saturday, December 12, 7:30 PM EST: Zoom Q&A with co-directors Joe and Josh #BlueBisonMedia, and me (creator of Sleepwalker): https://t.co/GJ2FApNksR...
Go to above links to RSVP pic.twitter.com/tHDpQEijNm

— Bob Budiansky (@BobBudiansky) December 11, 2020

Sandman finally in production at Netflix after three decades of development...

― huge rant (sic), Friday, December 11, 2020

Netflix + Gaiman + Warners. Can't see any way this could possibly disappoint.

man that sleepwalker image looks like a product of a different era

this recent EVERYTHING, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING drop seems like the beginning of the end but maybe i'm just an optimist.

there is a lot of pressure from shareholders for Disney to win the Streaming Wars and so they dropped a ton of teasers and trailers and sizzle reels on investor day. that is not the beginning of the end, it is just the beginning of the beginning if anything.

i guess i have to wonder where the floor is for casual or even serious fans, both with enthusiasm to keep up with this stuff and just out of sheer exhaustion. Even as a 15 year old marvel zombie I don't think i ever in my wildest dreams could have wanted this level of media saturation... and there's a zillion other options!

Just for the record, the projected upcoming roster of Marvel movies for 2021 includes Black Widow, Shang-Chi, The Eternals and Spider Man 3 with Wandavision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki, What If?, Hawkeye and Ms Marvel as series.

Then we're into Doctor Strange 2, Thor 4, She Hulk, Black Panther 2, Deadpool 3, Captain Marvel 2, Ant-Man and Wasp 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Blade all green-lit as films and Ironheart, Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, I Am Groot, Moon Knight, Fantastic Four, Secret Invasion and Armor Wars green-lit as series.

when is too fucking much just too fucking much?

get him Old Lunch!

even hardcore fans have to recognize that "It started out one thing and became another" is simply a fact at this point, even if you approve of this "don't skimp on the paté" approach to content delivery

yeah, i'm definitely in that boat too. too much headspace (and time!) required for all of this. guess I'll do my best. (and we're not even including all the other Disney/Pixar/Star Wars shit that was announced too)

pls do not express negative thoughts. mods if u could get that, thanks in advance

Haters, leave a little butthurt for the fanboys, sheesh.

It's really just down to quality control afaic. The MCU films thus far have all done the job for me (some more than others, admittedly). The shows have been pretty hit-or-miss. I got through all of the Netflix series but it honestly got to be a bit of a slog at points (partly because they never figured out how to tell a story worth taking up a full thirteen-episode season). Same with Agents if SHIELD. I'm clearly a Zombie but I still haven't made it through the Freeform/Hulu series. So yeah, I can see fatigue setting in at a point to the extent that Feige et al don't keep a firm hand on the wheel.

As previously noted, the Thanos bangers capped everything off perfectly for me and I would be cool stopping there if things start to suck down the road.

It's also worth noting again that I did not GAF about most superhero movies before the MCU and still don't GAF about most non-MCU superhero movies because most superhero movies are real shitty. I'm only on board this particular train because they're doing it the way I always wanted to see it done, and as soon as they stop doing it like that I'm out.

that makes sense! almost all the marvel films have been serviceable! The tv shows vary on returns for me. I'm just against media hegemony (especially when it's semi-fascistic in scope) as a general rule.

can we have Marvel/Star Wars crossover

I'm betting that'll happen in, oo, about 2029.

fuck no. the only thing worse than star wars movies is star wars fans.

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fan made, no?

not the fan-made Team-Up 69 we were all hoping for

so not gonna happen
http://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/4/4f/Marvel_Team-Up_Vol_1_69.jpg/revision/latest%3Fcb%3D20181231002037