yeah, anything that doesn't fit the program is basically given the "but more importantly" treatment
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
that CNET interview is rich. "Warner Bros. had an incredible machine for getting a filmmaker's work out everywhere, both in theaters and in the home, and they are dismantling it as we speak. They don't even understand what they're losing. Their decision makes no economic sense."
...If you're just tuning in, this is distribution advice from the guy who insisted on burning $100m of WB money by insisting his movie get a theatrical release during an airborne deathvirus pandemic
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link
this is a bad james bond movie with sci-fi guns added
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 07:10 (three years ago) link
that's how i've always assumed predator happened! some cgi wonk figured out how to do the active camouflage effect and they figured out a movie around it
In fact, remarkably, there's no CGI in Predator at all.
― Soz (Not Soz) (Vast Halo), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 10:07 (three years ago) link
still haven't seen tenet, as a physics teacher and spy movie fan who can tolerate nolan for the most part i was pretty excited for this. i really like the concept of a bond movie built around reversing the flow of entropy, sad to hear that this movie apparently sucks so bad
it's actually good
― flopson, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 07:12 (three years ago) link
This whole film reminded me of a time when i was at a hotel and this guy came over and started aggressively hitting on my date and was doing sleight of hand close up magic and every time he finished a trick he stared at me like "HOW ABOUT THAT?!?!" and after the third trick and the third time he asked "any idea how that happened? want to see it again?" I said "i take it you practice this stuff a lot" and he found that simultaneously offensive and boring and went to get my date drinks and i think we left.
this guy sounds awesome
― flopson, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 07:15 (three years ago) link
my man đ
― the late great, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 07:26 (three years ago) link
"the guy who insisted on burning $100m of WB money by insisting his movie get a theatrical release during an airborne deathvirus pandemic"
A selfless act to save cinema you mean.
― candyman, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
I half-watchec a dload copy of this while playing Civ and not paying much attention and I still figured out he was fighting himself in that first bit and then it was like "oh ok its a rick and morty episode with car chases" and lost interest.
AND IT WAS SO BLOODY NOISY.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 10 December 2020 01:01 (three years ago) link
i'm very glad I didn't pay money to see this in a theater. it was groanworthy. and how this is Nolan's most expensive film is beyond me; I guess blowing things up costs a lot, but it wasn't visually stunning at all. Dunkirk, Interstellar, and Inception are all more interesting to look at (as well as being better movies)
― akm, Saturday, 12 December 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
this may piss some of you off but the early-on realization for me watching this was the sensation fo sitting through a 2 1/2 hour Hideo Kojima intro. Same tangential connections to common sense, knotty dialogue, pointless relationships, pseudo-intellectual intrigues but none of the actual gameplay.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
watching Tenet with the subtitles off like pic.twitter.com/D9ZQ1PNR3s— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) December 23, 2020
So glad I saw this in a big theater with big sound
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 08:27 (three years ago) link
xp It did frequently remind me of a Kojima production (missing the military gear fetishization in yr list) without any of his gonzo redeeming qualities.This is bone dry and so demanding of an audience to put in the work for what exactly? Itâs a lot of algebra for a fucking Bond film.I stuck with it for the spectacle. Practical effects shit is neat, especially on this level. Pattinson the only memorable human in this.
― circa1916, Saturday, 16 January 2021 04:28 (three years ago) link
i kinda liked it! esp the highway heist car chase scene
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 16 January 2021 04:42 (three years ago) link
Itâs weird, one of the reasons I keep signing up for these Nolan joints is to see actual planes and cars and trucks shot with IMAX cameras doing crazy things with a lot of money, but I still feel like heâs strangely inept at putting together action scenes.
― circa1916, Saturday, 16 January 2021 06:05 (three years ago) link
Watching this tonight. This really is Nolanâs attempt at a Bond film with time fuckery and an American protagonist, isnât it? The fact that they have a catamaran race kinda gives it away.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 16 January 2021 06:37 (three years ago) link
Am just now reading through this thread and seeing that my basic feelings about this have been expounded upon thoroughly and viciously. Haha.
― circa1916, Saturday, 16 January 2021 07:43 (three years ago) link
Watching Tenet on my toilet seat, as Christopher Nolan intended pic.twitter.com/PPhg6We35f— Bertrand Fan (@bertrandom) January 24, 2021
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 04:36 (three years ago) link
i love when Kenneth Branagh's in my shitter
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 05:03 (three years ago) link
cmon, you know where that's going
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 05:13 (three years ago) link
ready to pounce!
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 05:16 (three years ago) link
The dialogue in this film, when it's not buried under layers of sound, is insane. It's so clipped and freighted with information it's like every conversation is between two people with a lifetime of shared history and semiotics, even when they've only just met. (Which, I suppose, is technically true given the nature of the relationships.) If you replaced each line with a functional description you wouldn't lose that much:
"Threat of violence""Sardonic response""Promise of violence""Cryptic allusion""Offer of a deal"
With dialogue that brittle though, if you lose even one word in twenty the whole thing quickly becomes incomprehensible. I had no idea what was going on with the plutonium 241, what The Protagonist's deal with Sator was meant to be. I like that this thread barely deals with the mechanics of the story but here's some other things that confused me, without even getting into the reverse entropy:
What was going on with the opera house siege (who were the terrorists, who were our guys rescuing, who were the other fake cops, what was the piece of the algoremuffin doing in the cloakroom)?Why did he go and live in a wind turbine?Why did he need all that subterfuge to meet the scientist, couldn't they just have set up an appointment?The scientist says we don't know how to reverse entropy but by the end they're doing it left right and centreWhy did Priya Singh want Sator to assemble the algoremuffin?
Also the soundtrack was doing so much work generating tension and emotion in the action scenes, feels like cheating.
― ledge, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 09:38 (three years ago) link
If it wasn't for the dazzling production values, this film would be in so bad it's good territory, and I think it will be seen as such once the superficial lustre has faded. A colossal misfire.
The soundtrack was indeed far too good for the movie.
― chap, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 12:16 (three years ago) link
it did feel a bit like playing a text-based computer game from the 80s in which very quickly you didn't even understand what game you were playing or what commands you could even type in and then threw it in the garbage can
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
The entropy reversal is a pretty neat idea - if you like that kind of thing - but I don't know if you could ever make a movie with it that would appeal to people who don't fancy multiple rewatches and drawing timelines and the like.
― ledge, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:29 (three years ago) link
when introduced it is actually a really entertaining idea, then about a half hour in, I realized what they were doing with it wasn't interesting to me anymore.
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
It would have made a great watch if it had just been a freewheeling, different location every 15 mins, mildly techy Bond-style thing.
― The Goodies font (Maresn3st), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:40 (three years ago) link
the chart-drawing crowd has given up on nolan ever since inception didn't make sense when examined closely.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
xp and with audible dialogue.
― ledge, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
the problem with asking logical questions about this film is someone on the internet would love to give you answers
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link
Hey Forks, did you catch Synchronic?
― The Goodies font (Maresn3st), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:22 (three years ago) link
i haven't yet! it's available to me, just having a hard time getting to it.i love Benson and Moorhead to death but the reviews have not been strong...
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link
I have it lined up for later, I'm a big fan of B&M too.
― The Goodies font (Maresn3st), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
they haven't made anything i haven't liked yet
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link
The entropy reversal is a pretty neat idea
I don't think it was at all. I think Nolan thought "hey, wouldn't backwards fight scenes look rad" and then made up some utter bullshit to justify doing that.
― chap, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link
christopher nolan is the drake of filmmaking
― davey, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
^^^ something my girl Jasmine said that seemed correct somehow
― davey, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 23:11 (three years ago) link
U da fuckin we worstBaby u da fucking worst
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 23:58 (three years ago) link
âTom and Jerry made more money its opening weekend than Tenetâhttps://www.vulture.com/2021/03/tom-and-jerry-has-good-opening-weekend-at-box-office.html
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 March 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
Surprised it didn't get nominated for any Oscars.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 March 2021 07:59 (three years ago) link
The only noms I think it deserves are music for sure, maaaaybe cinematography?
― chap, Thursday, 25 March 2021 09:43 (three years ago) link
It wins the award for movie causing the most deaths
― wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:48 (three years ago) link
it's up for two oscars isn't it?
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 March 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link
lol abanana
still amazed at the logic of his tantrum: insisting on releasing a movie during a time when most people are legally prohibited from seeing it vs waiting until this summer when people are going to be flocking to theaters to see any old dogshit 10 times in a row just bc theyll be excited to get out of the house
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 25 March 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
Since the other Synchronic mention is in the post-2005 horror thread, adding here due to above comments. Liked this a lot. The jump edits worked well with the theme, and the characters were sympathetic and decently acted. Lots of cool images. Look forward to their next film. It's on Hoopla, for anyone using that US library app.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link
wow this was utterly, supremely baffling. genuinely had no idea what was happening for most of the running time. maybe i'm dumb, but at a fundamental level, i just straight up did not "get" the reversal gimmick, how it worked, how people related to it or worked around it, how you would make weapons with it or execute plans with it, what was going on when people were parallel to each other in those rooms with the big goofy steampunk machines, or any of the light-bulb "wooooah" realizations i imagine i was supposed to have during the setpieces that involve action going both directions (?)... just utterly totally lost. fundamentally could not tell the difference between people going forward in time versus backwards --- like what were the backwards people experiencing? what were they trying to do? i don't understand.but over top of that, the actual stakes or goals of most of the big scenes escaped me. okay so he's going back in time! or maybe forward! to get the case from the guy at the site of the last car chase! or maybe he's leaving it there? before the scene happened? or is this like ten minutes after that scene and the case is just like, still there? or maybe this is days before the chase? wait why did they bring her back in time with them again? and on and on...obviously the main problem here is that, easily, 1/3 to 1/2 of the dialogue was indecipherable through the mud of the sound mix. which seems like a mistake when your plot depends on keeping people up to speed with a confusing gimmick and also a whole lot of what i gather may have been plot twists or maybe even character development (the latter seems doubtful). more the fool me for watching this on the big screen in 70mm as the director intended it --- being able to switch on closed-captioning might have been a game-changer.i wish i could say it at least worked for me as pure action shot-on-film practical-effects spectacle or something. i'll say that i rode the general momentum being confused but not actively annoyed for most of the running time, but then it hit the climax and all throughout it my brain was overtaxed trying to grasp the action or give meaning to the fast-paced onslaught of overstuffed images by extrapolating my always limited comprehension of the original, unhelpful, "inverted bullet" demonstration scene. might have been cool if the guy giving the briefing on their "pincer operation" were not just as muffled and overwhelmed in the mix as everything else. ultimately this was like watching Inception in a language i don't speak, turned up very loud, and recut in random order.
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 August 2021 23:46 (two years ago) link
more the fool me for watching this on the big screen in 70mm as the director intended it --- being able to switch on closed-captioning might have been a game-changer.
Yeah, watching it on a laptop with subtitles made its dopey-ass plot crystal clear.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 29 August 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
yeah, it's not better served by understanding it sadly
― think âGypsy-Pixieâ and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 August 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link
The captions are worth it just to get a sense of how hilariously ridiculous the dialogue is. A world where everyone talks in the same tortured, overwritten 3rd-tier Mamet-speak. I felt sympathy for actors who had to deliver it all with a straight face - its clearly one of those scripts where no one thought about how any of the lines would sound coming out of a human mouth until they were on set calling action.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 30 August 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link
So I havenât watched much tv, let alone movies, in the last 3 yrs - just havenât had the attention span - but I watched this on a plane last week and it was really good and even fun?! Itâs pretty dry but I didnât mind that. It was just nice to watch a movie that gives you an idea to think about afterwards. The whole inverse entropy thing was a pretty original take on time travel, regardless of how factual it was.
I watched The Northman right after this, and it was so fucking bad all round. I looked up reviews and couldnât believe how high people were rating it. So corny.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 09:55 (one year ago) link