the endless discussion about how all the details of an imaginary universe either mesh correctly or contradict other imaginary details is very modern. i'm guessing it's an epiphenomenon of the general conflation of science and religion in the secularized societies. the greek myths of gods and demigods are larded with inconsistencies, but the greeks apparently didn't notice or didn't care.
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link
you know what really chaps my ass, in space there is no sound. all of Star WArs is invalid
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
When you have those massive ships, with hundreds of guns firing, wouldn't even a very simple coordinated targeting be better than the tactic where every gun fires randomly?
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link
I do enjoy the terrible security clearance system of the Empire constantly letting Rebels onto their ships with just a simple code and not much other verification
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link
Touch ID and Face ID don't really work so great when half of everybody is wearing gloves and masks all the time
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:29 (three years ago) link
I’ve spent lots of time defending (good) Star Wars movies against charges of inconsistency, lack of realism, etc.; but this episode was not good, it was bad.
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
OK
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
well fuck that changes everything
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
I didn't love this one either, apart from Boba Fett's scenery-chewing, that was great. Felt more or less like it had a lot of "get this character to this place" that had to get done and it took up most of the episode
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 6 December 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
I mean you guys obviously don’t have to agree with my take (and I’ll clam up now rather than continue to be a drag), but this isn’t a case of nitpicking on my part – the episode left me deflated and bummed out. I’m a fan of the show.
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Sunday, 6 December 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
I like the Rodriguez shots where someone is jumping backward off of something while shooting toward the camera
― mh, Monday, 7 December 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link
what's the upside of being a stormtrooper? is it just that you get regular meals in an uncaring universe or is there something else
― mookieproof, Monday, 7 December 2020 00:47 (three years ago) link
One thing I liked about the Boba Fett hand-to-hand combat in this one is that it really makes you feel how cheap and plastic and splintery the stormtrooper armor is and brings home the way they're just cannon fodder to their Imperial masters, their armor there to make them feel valued but not actually very protective in practice.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 7 December 2020 00:52 (three years ago) link
It's interesting thought cos this is pre-First Order, so these are Academy kids. Maybe a sense of pride and pleasing your far-right parents?
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 December 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link
They’re not just leftover (adult) Stormtroopers from the Galactic Civil War?
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
well I mean they had gone through the Academy, there's definitely not an active Academy as the Empire seems to just be remnants at this point.
so yeah probably just leftover Troopers, plus whoever showed up for work that day
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
There do seem to be new recruits though, like the young assistant to the new Moff dude
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link
(Or maybe he’s not new, just not in the movies - I check myself)
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:32 (three years ago) link
it really makes you feel how cheap and plastic and splintery the stormtrooper armor is
this was already fully established by the ewoks, who vanquished many a fully armored stormtrooper using slings, arrows, stone-tipped wooden spears, stone hammers, and just plain big rocks dropped on their heads.
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link
and psychology
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:50 (three years ago) link
The mando “ok kid” stuff vs force field throw backs almost felt like an editing error - like they filmed similar scenes with similar dialogue only meaning to use it once, yet somehow we got all the takes.
― Kim, Monday, 7 December 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
lol it totally did
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 December 2020 01:59 (three years ago) link
Watching that, I was like – “I guess Mando’s never seen those ‘Definition of Insanity’ memes on the HoloNet”(I know I said I’d clam up, but if you guys are discussing it... lol)
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link
Storm troopers have like opposite armor, where any glancing shot or blow is a kill shot. They are playing the game on the insane difficulty level.
― DJI, Monday, 7 December 2020 02:53 (three years ago) link
Also I’d love to see the arcane calculus behind how many stormtrooper deaths equal one unmasked death, etc. when it come to trying to keep their TV14 rating.
― DJI, Monday, 7 December 2020 02:56 (three years ago) link
Seriously though. That single episode featured more murders than the entire series of Hannibal.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 December 2020 03:47 (three years ago) link
I wouldn’t technically call them “murders,” but it was definitely violent.
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link
Poll: is killing a stormtrooper murder vs is it okay to punch a nazi
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 December 2020 07:16 (three years ago) link
Most of the killings were in self-defense. Fett could probably be charged with second-degree murder for shooting down the retreating troops, but I bet a good lawyer could get it reduced to voluntary manslaughter.
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 07:49 (three years ago) link
I always feel bad for Stomtroopers.
― chap, Monday, 7 December 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
Disappointing episode and riding entirely off the "finally, we get to see Boba Fett kick ass" sequence.
I always liked how Boba Fetts reputation was never really explained, questions not answers coming from the 'No Disintegrations' comment in Empire.
Now, it looks like he is just some Marvel universe bad ass, who is interchangable with 100% of all other comic book movie bad asses.
The only way this episode would be redeemed, if there was no payoff to the jedi pager, and no help ever came..
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Monday, 7 December 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link
Mandalorians are further explorations of what the bit part character mercenary/assasin Boba Fett were aren't they?I don't have the lore on individual races etc in the Star Wars universe so I have missed the further expansions on what makes a Mandalorian what they are. Does Fett even have full body armour? Or is that something that came in in the books etc.
It's kind of weird if you have a this group of people are the group that this individual fits into when the introduction has been a bit of an outlier and has up to a certain point been the sole representative of that group that people will be likely to have encountered. I guess it is a bit of a trope though, may be why you have not encountered others of this type because the character that you meet is an outlier in having contact etc.
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 December 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link
Mandalorians are further explorations of what the bit part character mercenary/assasin Boba Fett were aren't they?
Er, not exactly as Boba Fett is not a Mandalorian at all.
― chap, Monday, 7 December 2020 11:22 (three years ago) link
If Georgie hadn't done all the stupid Jango Fett clone stuff in ep II I guess they could've retroactively made Bobba Fett just a rogue Mando, which would've been less confusing.
― chap, Monday, 7 December 2020 11:24 (three years ago) link
Looks like that path to the creation of the Mandalorians did work backwards from having a character they needed a backstory for even if they added in convoluted sidesteps along the way.Or did Lucas sit down during the creation of the Star Wars universe and write out a genealogy of the various peoples dotted around his universe prior to working out stories in a way I think I've heard JRR Tolkien did.
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 December 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link
I think topography might have been a better word than genealogy, but basic pseudo scientific outlay of who is in the universe and where they came from and what motivations they have etcBefore introducing individuals from those people who have to interact in a story.I think he was sketching things in and then giving them motivations for why, if he even did that later.
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 December 2020 12:10 (three years ago) link
Or did Lucas sit down during the creation of the Star Wars universe and write out a genealogy of the various peoples dotted around his universe prior to working out stories in a way I think I've heard JRR Tolkien did.
lol no
― chap, Monday, 7 December 2020 12:17 (three years ago) link
when did clone troopers become storm troopers? are they all conscripts now or are some of them still leftover clones? is boba fett murdering a bunch of clones of himself?
i'm kind of torn on this one just because it felt so egregious to see boba fett finally use all the weapons that are part of his suit all at once
― joygoat, Monday, 7 December 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link
egregious???? (in fairness we've been seeing those weapons used throughout the series/season, particularly that rocket, so it was kinda built up)
― Nhex, Monday, 7 December 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link
“Lucasfilm is the biggest Kenner Playset a boy could have!” - Jon Favreau
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 7 December 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link
mando's used all of his stuff but when I was a kid everyone was like "oh shit boba fett has a missle and hidden rockets in his knees and that periscope thing" but he never actually used any them so they remained the stuff of legend
― joygoat, Monday, 7 December 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
actually now that you mention it, i was like "rocket knees!?" when it happened
― Nhex, Monday, 7 December 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
doesn't sound very practical for your knees unless you have bionic knes opr soemthing does it?Would recoil not be a problem?
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 December 2020 14:16 (three years ago) link
Re Tolkien: believe me he did not dream up a consistent universe first and then write it. A lot happened via random inspiration and revision of draft ideas.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 December 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link
I thought i'd heard he was more meticulous about back story than others might be, could be i couldf have picked a better example, but main point was about that semi randomness and the direction of fit of teh backstory. So the fact that he was less organised in that way might conceivably work in support of the point i was making.Did think there was a direction of fit of how one went about world building taht he might be an example of one way of doing things as opposed to a more random I have to fill out a universe by randomly coming up with facts taht I want to project onto the individual that I see for a couple of minutes in a story. I mean that character has been filled out a bit more elsewhere and subsequently to his initial appearance and so on.
I was wondering about the clone thing with the stormtroopers too since i thought they had all been supposed to be interchangeable which might explain their disposability. BUt I think they have had more individuality. Plus teh feamle sidekick was either supposed to be one or the officer leading a bunch of them. I think.I still don't know exactly what the events on Tatooine she was involved in are supposed to bey had
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 December 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
That's what I remembered too, but then I just looked it up and Fennec was not in the Empire but another mercenary bounty hunter who had run afoul of the Guild, like Mando was in season 1.
Don't remember which Star Wars lore outlines it, but a) the Clones were not designed to live for very long and b) the Empire eventually decided they were too unreliable and replaced them with conscripts (actually this makes sense, considering Palpatine's plans)
― Nhex, Monday, 7 December 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
Yeah, they’re not clones anymore.
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
Rebels definitely shows a lot of the academy and shows 'retired' clones fighting for the Rebel Alliance
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
speaking of, on Season 4 of REbels and lord is it good
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
Gotta get in on that. Finally made it through Clone Wars just a month ago
― Nhex, Monday, 7 December 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link