Resurrection: The 2006 Poetry Thread

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sorry I kinda hurt the thread, here's something by a real poet

IN THE VILLAGE OF MY ANCESTORS, by Vasko Popa

One hugs me
One looks at me with wolf-eyes
One takes off his hat
So I can see him better

Each one of them asks me
Do you know who I am

Unknown men and women
Take on the names
Of boys and girls buried in my memory

And I ask one of them
Tell me venerable sir
Is George Wol still alive

That's me he answers
In a voice from the Otherworld

I stroke his cheek with my hand
And beg him with my eyes to tell me
If I am still alive too

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Haikunym, stop apologizing, you real poet.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 25 February 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Aw shucks, he's so cute when he looks sheepish and apologetic; let's let him apologize some more so we can watch him draw in the dirt with his toe.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 25 February 2006 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

both of you all stop it now and post some damm poetry, or you'll get the sonnet about leprechauns

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 25 February 2006 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"You, Reader"

I wonder how you are going to feel
when you find out
that I wrote this instead of you.

that it was I who got up early
to sit in the kitchen
and mention with a pen

the rain-soaked windows,
the ivy wallpaper,
and the goldfish circling in its bowl.

Go ahead and turn aside,
bite your lip and tear out the page,
but, listen--it was just a matter of time

before one of us happened
to notice the unlit candles
and the clock humming on the wall.

Plus, nothing happened that morning--
a song on the radio,
a car whistling along the road outside--

and I was only thinking
about the shakers of salt and pepper
that were standing side by side on a place mat.

I wondered if they had become friends
after all these years
or if they were still strangers to one another

like you and I
who manage to be known and unknown
to each other at the same time--

me at this table with a bowl of pears.
you leaning in a doorway somewhere
near some blue hydrangeas, reading this.

--Billy Collins

j c (j c), Sunday, 26 February 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I am several time zones away from my Ted Berrigan books, and so I can't access the one where he does a variation of that opening stanza. Nor can I google it. It goes something like: "People of the future / when you read these poems, remember / I wrote them, / not you."

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually DID write that poem. Fucker.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Not you, Chris!
Him.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

?img src=http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e391/marthasminions/Telegramsizedweb.jpg>

This is sort of a found poem, a telegram my uncle got from an actress he had apparently insulted in his newspaper column. He framed it.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Try again.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I still adore that font. I wonder if there is computer version?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder if their lower-case e and a keys were broken. The result looks so...Martian. Especially effective in "QuEEniE." No wait, the As and Es are little, like the lower-case letters! WEird!!! What was the thinking behind this?
Does anyone else have old telegrams to compare it to?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

couldn' someone good at that sort of thing pretty much extract a font from that image?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i kind of want a thread to ask pesky questions about post-60s poetry in. but i can't think quite how i want to go with it.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

well, here's a thing.

http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/perloff/anth.html

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Looking For Saints

When the rain-whelmed sky
drove the birds in low flight
I decided
I would search for saints.

In coffee shops I kept my ear cocked
for the bell poised over the door
to bounce,
in case a saint came in with
a wet umbrella.
On the street my eyes ran after
the backs of walkers.

All winter
I entered empty phone booths
to read the pencilled messages.
I tried alleys
where bottle glass, webbed on labels
sat, limp,
lashed in related green bits.
But always the saints were
elsewhere just then,
or I'd have noticed them standing about.

Holy figures billowed through my dreams
as vanes, their faces grey-veiled,
holding staves tall as themselves,
drifting away as day began.

I would have settled for one black eyelash,
any holy mite as evidence.
But the city emptied where I looked.

Eating cold bread on a bench one day
a paltry truth popped into my head.
As the bread mess rested in my teeth
I thought,
a saint can have no saintly life
until his bones are shaved of flesh.
I ran my tongue along my hard crowns
about an hour
before I decided
to spend the spring
running with dogs in the park.

-- Written by me in (I think) 1977, resurrected for this thread

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Bottle glass webbed on labels! Aimless, you have always been great! In 1977 I had dropped out of art school and was waiting on tables, hoovering cocaine and chasing Brazilian boys, whereas you were writing really good poems AND running with the dogs!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It's true! You have somewhat of a head start on me since I wasn't born until 1978, but even so - awe! (Beth you are not too shabby yourself of course.)

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I have been hoovering the Brazilian boys and chasing the cocaine -- is this wrong?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - I found a truetype font that purports to be from Western Union telegrams in the '20s and '30s, but it is all caps. And, it came from a Cthulu site :)

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's the link. Also for Mac.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoa, cool!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Aimless, I am digging your poetry scene.

Here is "Facing It" by Yusef Komunyakaa:

My black face fades,
hiding inside the black granite.
I said I wouldn't,
dammit: No tears.
I'm stone. I'm flesh.
My clouded reflection eyes me
like a bird of prey, the profile of night
slanted against morning. I turn
this way--the stone lets me go.
I turn that way--I'm inside
the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
again, depending on the light
to make a difference.
I go down the 58,022 names,
half-expecting to find
my own in letters like smoke.
I touch the name Andrew Johnson;
I see the booby trap's white flash.
Names shimmer on a woman's blouse
but when she walks away
the names stay on the wall.
Brushstrokes flash, a red bird's
wings cutting across my stare.
The sky. A plane in the sky.
A white vet's image floats
closer to me, then his pale eyes
look through mine. I'm a window.
He's lost his right arm
inside the stone. In the black mirror
a woman's trying to erase names:
No, she's brushing a boy's hair.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Jacob and the Angel


The chandelier of stars
hung low above the field
when the angel closed on him.
He could not pry
porphyritic fingers
from his thigh,
nor break the granite hold.
Stone has no heart for pity.
He was lamed before night's end,
named before dawn;
shriven, driven, broken, repaired.
The angel could have gone on and on.
God asks much for little,
little for much.
We who have no choice must choose:
to win, to lose,
to wrestle with angels.

--Jane Yolen

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The quality of the poetry in spam is sometimes disheartening.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometimes I think they're not even half-trying.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, and yet they're so much better than what passes for poetry!

That one, though, is really exceptional. Hm.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Death Bed"

All the time they were praying
He watched the shadow of a tree
Flicker on the wall.

There is no need of prayer,
He said,
No need at all.

The kin-folk thought it strange
That he should ask them from a dying bed.
But they left all in a row
And it seemed to ease him
To see them go.

There were some who kept on praying
In a room across the hall
And some who listened to the breeze
That made the shadows waver
On the wall.

He tried his nerve
On a song he knew
And made an empty note
That might have come,
From a bird's harsh throat.

And all the time it worried him
That they were in there praying
And all the time he wondered
What it was they could be saying.

--Waring Cuney

j c (j c), Sunday, 26 March 2006 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

That saves me the trouble of hunting down this thread:

54.

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upboi ncheeose

idira,
toap t, stima
        disopera    teoxc

firty oeur pofour

paosleys lbecua

orusis vocm


mucis


              cham

[David Melnick, from PCOET]

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 March 2006 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

it's, um, categorised (maybe i should finish that job) under Hardy Perennials > The Poetry Thread.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 26 March 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspected it was. Perhaps you don't appreciate how profoundly lazy I am...

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 March 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a dream that Archel was giving a poetry reading near where I lived (in the dream) and I didn't manage to get there for the usual crappy dream reasons, such as men digging up the road. This not gettting there thing was a DISASTER and cause me much distress (in the dream).

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha! I like the parentheses - the idea of missing me reading would of course not cause you any distress in REAL life ;)

Archel (Archel), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

R.I.P. Ian Hamilton Finlay.

I didn't even realize he was still alive. Oh well.

http://static.flickr.com/53/119009857_fbce943275.jpg

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Sam Hamill is reading in my town tomorrow night. I knew nothing about his work, until today. I found some:

Wanting one good organic line
I wrote a thousand sonnets

Wanting a little peace,
I folded a thousand cranes.

Every discipline a new evasion;
every crane a dodge:

Basho didn't know a thing about water
until he heard the frog.


Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

[psst - it's National Poetry Month in the US. Take your favorite poem to lunch and give it a Hallmark card.]

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Sceptic

My Father Christmas passed away
When I was barely seven.
At twenty-one, alack-a-day,
I lost my hope of heaven.

Yet not in either lies the curse:
The hell of it's because
I don't know which loss hurts the worse -
My God or Santa Claus.

- Robert Service -

(just to show another side of him than Sam McGee and Dan McGrew)

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

On the horizon the peaks assembled;
And as I looked,
The march of the mountains began.
As they marched, they sang:
"Aye! We come! We come!"

-- Stephen Crane (poem 37, from The Black Riders)


The Holy Time

(1)

Like timid girls the shades are pacing down
The slopes of evening, trailing soberly
Their vestments grey:

Far, far away,
The last, red tinge
Is fading into brown;

So far!
So faint!
Seen but surmisingly!

And now the dusk of evening draws upon
That memory of light,
And light is gone!

(2)

The bee
Speeds
Home!

The beetle's
Wing of horn
Is booming by!

The darkness,
Every side,
Gathers around

On air,
And sky,
And ground!

The trees
Sing in the darkness,
Far and wide,

In cadenced lift of leaves,
A tale of morn!
And the moon's circle,

Silver-faint, and thin,
Birds lovely on the earth:
- There is no sin!


-- James Stephens

Note: Please try to overlook the overpunctuation of this poem, especially (!) the many (!) exclamation (!) marks! Ignoring these improves this poem immensely.

The Emancipators

When you ground the lenses and the moons swam free
From that great wanderer; when the apple shone
Like a sea-shell through your prism, voyager;
When, dancing in pure flame, the Roman mercy,
Your doctrines blew like ashes from your bones;

Did you think, for an instant, past the numerals
Jellied in Latin like bacteria in broth,
Snatched for by holy Europe like a sign?
Past somber tables inched out with the lives
Forgotten or clapped for by the wigged Societies?

You guessed this? The earth's face altering with iron,
The smoke ranged like a wall against the day?
- The equations metamorphose into use: the free
Drag their slight bones from tenements to vote
To die with their children in your factories.

Man is born in chains, and everywhere we see him dead.
On your earth they sell nothing but our lives.
You knew that what you died for was our deaths?
You learned, those years, that what men wish is Trade?
It was you who understood; it is we who change.


-- Randall Jarrell

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Aimless, if you come to my reading (as part of Poetland on Saturday), Jaq might be there. But what I read will probably not be as good as what I read last time, so it's not as obligatory. Although maybe it WILL be as good and I am trying to lower expectations. We'll see!

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm. This is the publicity on the Powell's Books web site:

"April 15, 2:30 pm. Experience Poetland — an experiment in poetic energy, featuring ten readings of ten poets. Arlo Voorhees presides over Brittany Bladwin, John Hogl, Lisa Steinman, Pat Hathaway, Jim Shugrue, Hazel Dodge, Geraldine Foote, Jeffrey Bershaw, and Tom Blood."

Are you a last minute stand-in, or have you changed your performing name to Tom Blood -- for artistic purposes, of course?

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Poetland is 80 poets in 8 venues over 8 hours. Powells is but one of them. Full schedule is available at wordstock.org or here.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I was hoping you would swagger up to the podium with a bandana swathing your head, saying,"Yaaarr! Me name's Tom Blood and if it's poetry yer wanting, I be yer man."

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have anything to say about the poets who will be readers at the Third Annual Sarah Lawrence Poetry Festival? Thank you.

youn, Monday, 17 April 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey dude--thought I'd bust in on your home turf! Your reading sounds interesting...

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Anyways: Sarah Lawrence! I don't want to blab on too much, but some categories?

Famous old people of varying degrees of experimentalness: Eleanor Wilner, Gerald Stern, Marie Ponsot, Frank Bidart, Jean Valentine (http://www.jeanvalentine.com/poems.html).

Young Famouse semi-avants: Claudia Rankin, Martha Rhodes.

I don't know the other people as well. I'd say the best way is to just google or look at the Amazon "Look Inside" for these people and see who you'd like. If I were going, I'd check out Bidard, Valentine, and Rankin.

kenchen, Monday, 17 April 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard of Gerald Stern and Frank Bidart, but I don't actually have any associations with them, mentally. I don't really know anyone on that list.

My reading went well. Or, at least, I think it did. I don't know if it was as shall-we-say "magical" as January's reading was but it was somewhat difficult and somewhat accessible material read very, very fast that people were able to get things out of. People seemed to especially like my emceeing, which is really what I'm known for. There was something of a fight at the end of the part I emceed, which was awkward and kinda fun and kinda not at all. It was "memorable".

In all, a reminder that I really have no clue what most people are thinking of when they talk about "poetry".

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad your reading went well, Chris.
But a fight? Fisticuffs? Bard-Brawling? That's too much to hope for, I guess. Can you fill us in?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like we left too soon! There did seem to be warring poetry camps, or bands, or tribes (the "clap at every opportunity for our krewe" vs. "clap upon poet completion" being but one).

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

No, just a guy (an older guy, who has been doing poetry in Portland "for 40 years" as he reminded us) who felt perhaps that he had been plunked in with "the younger generation" as a sort of prank against him, and who was adamant that there be "more dialogue" between the audience and the poets, that this is after all "about communication". He was scheduled to be the last reader. The woman who read before him was reading her last poem and he interrupted her (he'd been interrupting more and more as the night went on) and asked her to explain something about her poem, and not only wouldn't stop talking to let her read the poem, but wouldn't stop talking to let her explain. He then spent most of his set harranguing the audience for being "wretchedly passive" and said that "art for art's sake is bullshit" but all at the same time getting into the female poets' who had already read personal space and complimenting their eyes and so forth. It was not a matter of "you guys are all assholes" but rather "you are all so bright but so misguided, let me show you the light!"

His poetry, to my mind, left something to be desired, perhaps because he thought that communication happened outside the space of the poem, or that a poem was something that one should be able to respond to immediately, intelligibly, and without your interruption doing damage to its sense or effect.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like he'd had a few stiff gin and tonics.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link


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