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Greetings from the Lyndale and Franklin area. It's sold out, is it? Well, that makes it simple for me. Fuck a Clear Channel show. I saw 'em back in the day anyway.

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

< /bitter old punk >

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

no shit? well now i feel bad for telling ppl trying to sell me on bloc party to fuck off cos "i bought entertainment and solid gold in 1995, dude..."

ha i just looked at the quest website, and maybe it's not sold out! i'll have to think about this, the opinion on this thread seems to = they are on fire.

g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe it's not sold out! ... the opinion on this thread seems to = they are on fire

AGGGHHHGGGHHH

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I paid a shitload of money for this show ($25/ticket plus ridiculous service fees) and I am not the biggest Gang of Four fan on earth and I was absolutely not disappointed in any way. If that helps.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

On another message board, a guy who went to Coachella gave the Gang of 4 a 3-star (out of 5) review and said "I wouldn't buy an album." But he gave the Futureheads 4 1/2 stars. With no apparent irony.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

On another message board, a guy who went to Coachella gave the Gang of 4 a 3-star (out of 5) review and said "I wouldn't buy an album." But he gave the Futureheads 4 1/2 stars. With no apparent irony.

I totally understand that mentality, though! There's nothing wrong with liking the current "imitators" more than the original.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, I like early XTC more than the Futureheads (which I think is a more reasoned comparison), and I certainly like Gang Of Four more than Radio 4... but if someone has the opposite opinion, good for her/him!

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

In principle, I agree. In practice...the Futureheads?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

One thing to keep in mind about the tour sponsorship and all, Dave Allen has been working for record labels in A&R on and off for a long time. The dude is in the biz. At least in the US, Gof4 was always on a major label. Mind you, it doesn't change how the tunes sound.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

earl, you mean hugo, not dave. dave has been in the biz, too, but in a much more indie role (he used to work at emusic, for instance).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 May 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

and the major label thing is a ruse too. the indie architecture in the us hadn't been built then! i mean, the ramones were on a major!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 May 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno, I've seen people like The Soft Boys and Richard Thompson, and Mission of Burma do reunion (non Clear Channel) tours at First Ave in recent years...they can't be getting much in the way of tour support.

Well, I'm pretty sure Burma didn't have to fly all its band/crew/instruments over from the UK for starters (and the "tour out of Atlanta" story in Our Band Could Be Your Life shows they knew how to tour the US cheap and effectively). As for the Soft Boys, they had a deluxe reissue of a classic album and a reunion LP after 20 years on Matador, so I'm sure they got some money to tour. As for Thompson, I dunno. Does he travel with a band? If not, that cuts down on touring costs.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 5 May 2005 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

thompson was with a band. still, WHAT ABOUT THE INDIANS THAT ARE BEING EXPLOITED, IS NO ONE THINKING OF THEM?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Did any of you read that backlash thread about the Gang of 4 on the Dissensus chat board where folks argued that they were overrated--stiff musically, cliched lyrically, and hypocritical cuz they were on a major babbling about marxism while trying to sell as many records as they could?

I don't buy most of that criticism but it was provocative.

steve-k, Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone into the Gang of Four because of the pseudomarxism needs to have their lives subsidized.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha... i just read that as a question, peepee

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Was their Marxism really pseudo? I thought that their sociopolitical stance was what made their aesthetic work. Isn't the tension inherent in their being a pop band critical of pop commodity-selling as an enterprise what makes them still worth listening to today, not just that Dave Allen could really place bass, & etcetera? I mean, isn't that just the thing that keeps them from being totally rigid and unfun, that they express the confusion and conflict of "false consciousness", and don't just present a line of dogma, like other bands of their ilk? Sorry, I'm not a music critic-- it seems like this is the stuff is what really makes them artists worth listening to and thinking about, not just that they made pretty noises or whatever.

Anyway, I've been thinking about going to see them, but I'm really conflicted about it. Could I get some elaboration here from the people who have gone to see them? What does it mean that they sound better now than they did in their prime? Are they still coming from somewhere near the same stance that they did back in the day, or is this just a payday for them? And does that matter? I dunno, maybe they've evolved into something better and I'd be missing out if I didn't go. Anyone?

Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

For me, their original recorded output sounds somewhat thin and flat (apparently as intended). The live show at Coachella had a big full sound that was more pleasing to me.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

GoF live on KEXP.org right now!~!!!!

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 6 May 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

This is too good. I can't wait for this show!

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 6 May 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

they were fucking great last nite in PDX!! andy gill looked like he had just woken up, staring down the crowd through puffy eyes hacking at his guitar = awesome. jon king was indeed spazzed out, and now looks like an MP. they got into a fight briefly and andy was on his cellphone onstage. two encores; they genuinely seemed happy to be playing! (except when they were bickering). andy's tone was absolutely coruscating and mr. allen was quite thrashy/funky. recommended!

f, Friday, 6 May 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

what did they get in a fight about? was andy calling an airline to fly him home?

I can say that Gang of Four live was probably the best rock show I've seen since the last time I saw Sleater Kinney (several years).

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i have no idea what they were squabbling about. at one point andy was saying something to the crowd and the drummer was hitting a drum and andy turns and says "oi, cut it out ginger baker"

but they all gave shoutouts to david allen at the end

zzz12S`, Friday, 6 May 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

yyyeeeeeooowwwwzah

donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 7 May 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I just got back from the Seattle show. Jon banging on a dented microwave with a large stick during He'd Send In The Army was really bizarre. Have they been doing this at other shows? He totally destroyed that thing. It was cool the way they varied the echo on the mic while he did that, too.

I found it hard to tell at times how much they were really enjoying it. Andy didn't seem very happy for some reason. It was wild to watch Dave, Jon and Andy move all over the stage at the same time and somehow avoid bumping into each other! You can kind of see why a band like that might not get along very well. Personally I love "I Parade Myself" so I'm glad they played that one. The way they played Damaged Goods sounded soo good - like they'd added a little something you couldn't quite put a finger on.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Saturday, 7 May 2005 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the replies! I think the thin/flat sound is part of what makes the first album work for me more than the follow-ups did. Stuff like "I Love a Man in Uniform" just sounds too slick to me, although it's been a while since I've listened to that material, so maybe my tastes have changed. But I suppose I wouldn't mind going to see them do an amped-up version of their early stuff.

But $22.50 ticket price + $12.50 worth of Ticketmaster bullshit + $2.50 mailing fee + gas to Chicago + tolls + parking near Metro = $50 + time spent driving on freeway and in Chicago traffic, so I might sit this one out and just go catch the last film of the Ozu series that's playing on campus instead. But thanks for the advices anyway, y'all.

Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 7 May 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

...really looking forward to tonights show,given what has been posted here. below is an article from this weeks georgia staright.

Gang of Four rises again

By alexander varty

Publish Date: 5-May-2005
The guys in Gang of Four have reunited for the first time in more than 20 years, and they evidently couldn’t be more delighted about it.

The guys in Gang of Four have reunited for the first time in more than 20 years, and they evidently couldn’t be more delighted about it.

Twenty years ago, Gang of Four bassist Dave Allen would have scoffed at the notion that he’d ever join singer Jon King, guitarist Andy Gill, and drummer Hugo Burnham in reforming the world’s best-ever agit-pop band. Even more risible would be the notion that in order to do so, he’d be working out with a personal trainer to make sure his middle-aged body was up to the rigours of the road.

“It’s really funny,” says the former U.K. resident, reached at home in Portland, Oregon. “When I was in my 20s, I did kind of mock the idea of Mick Jagger still playing when he was 50 years old, and now I’m doing it. It’s like, well, ‘Oops!’ People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones—at Rolling Stones, even.

“So I began a workout regime with a trainer starting in February of this year, because after the U.K. tour I realized that I wasn’t as fit as I thought I was,” he continues. “Even though we pulled it off and it was great, I ended up catching the flu, and I just felt, ‘Well, shit, if I’m going to do this, I’m going to do it properly.’ But we’re all in good shape, really, although Hugo is more overweight than he should be. But that’s his personal choice. I mean, he didn’t go out and get a trainer.”

For a second, there’s a flash of the combative spirit that both animated the original Gang of Four lineup and that led to Allen’s departure in 1982. (King, Gill, and Burnham soldiered on with a string of replacement bassists until 1984.) Otherwise, the veteran musician sounds like he’s mellowed considerably since the days of “At Home He’s a Tourist” and “Damaged Goods” but not so much that he’s going to let the Gang of Four’s legacy be usurped by all the younger groups—including the Rapture, Franz Ferdinand, and the Faint—currently claiming them as a major influence.

“All these bands that the press talk about that are taking from the punky-funky-jerky sound of the Gang of Four… It’s all well and good, musically, but they’re not doing anything lyrically,” he says. “They’re not saying anything. Even with Bloc Party, which gets thrown around as an example of a good Gang of Four–sounding band, it just sounds like sloganeering. Which we were adamantly against, just vehemently against. We did not stand up and throw our fists in the air and go, ‘Kill the rich! Bring down the government!’ There was a certain subtle irony in everything we did.”

Irony, yes, and a degree of brutal physicality. So much so, in fact, that if the Gang’s Saturday (May 7) appearance at the Commodore Ballroom is anything near as powerful as its sweat-drenched appearance there in the early ’80s, a cathartic good time will be had by all.

Allen, for one, thinks the revived Gang can deliver.

“The job we have at hand, as we keep reminding ourselves, is that we have to be as good, if not better, than we were the first time around,” he notes. “So that was the immediate challenge we set for ourselves, and it worked. We’ve worked really hard in rehearsals; we’re very demanding on each other. But what’s also happened is that we’ve matured. We’re just as volatile, but we’re less quick to fly off the handle, which I think is very important. Now before we start attacking each other there seems to be more of a pause, and then we get some discussion going. But that just comes with age. Three of us have kids, for instance, and if you can handle that, you can handle a band, ’cause that’s just about as bad as it gets.”

william (william), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

William, you're going to have such a great time... Trust me.

donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Hugo is more overweight than he should be. But that’s his personal choice.

hahaha

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't stop his drumming from being A+ tight. Lots of people in the audience were shouting "HUUUUUUUUUGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" last night.

donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my fucking god!!!!! incredible!!!! highlights::the microwave beatings of king,the guitar destruction [litterally] of gill,the unbelievably tight playing of burnham/allen. how they never stopped moving/roaming about the stage. having seen both the slint reunion and now the GoF reunion,tough as it is for me to chose which was better ,i would have to say the GoF! do not miss this if you can get to a show!!!

william (william), Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Newsflash-Gang of Four don't like Radio 4 so much

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 9 May 2005 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, are you going to spill the beans and tell the people why, Ms. Timmons?

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 9 May 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

What I want to know is are they using a different microwave each time? Did it start out with the front door attached, William?

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Monday, 9 May 2005 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Did it start out with the front door attached, William?

...yup...it was white with a black front door. jon king used a short baseball bat type club to utterly destroy it. again...i can't urge people enough to catch them should they play your town in the next two weeks. i was really surprised the commodore ballroom was not more than 75% full.

william (william), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

We saw some people walking out with the demolished microwave after the show Friday night.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

A black front!! You're kidding! Ours started out with a white front and white body! Although to be honest it was already about to fall apart before he started banging on it.

Did he start banging on it while it was on a platform of some kind and then continued to bang on it as it fell on the floor of the stage? What happened to the microwave on your end? I recall a roadie also conveniently moving the microphone closer when it fell on the floor.

xpost - brilliant! A destroyed microwave from Gang of 4! Next trend in music will be...toaster ovens on stage!

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

King told KEXP on Friday that on one tour stop, the promoter didn't get a microwave. Instead, there was a walk-in fridge -- I swear I heard this right.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Next trend in music will be: have your lead singer sing vocals from inside a walk-in freezer.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Ahead of their time again!

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 08:10 (eighteen years ago) link

King told KEXP on Friday that on one tour stop, the promoter didn't get a microwave. Instead, there was a walk-in fridge -- I swear I heard this right.
I thought I heard that, too!

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

the microwave's glass was taped too, to prevent it from breaking. hahah i cant believe they're doing that at multiple shows! classic

jake b. (cerybut), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that Ian Dury were a lot better at combining new wave with disco than Gang Of Four ever were. Also, !!! are currently better than GoF at what GoF were doing back then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, have you found anyone else who agrees with you? I think most would differ with your take.

steve-k, Monday, 9 May 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, !!! have a lot more to do with later Pop Group, Pigbag, Grace Cale's Dubset, and the funkier moments of 23 Skidoo than they do with Gang Of Four... the !!!/Go4 comparison is a puzzling one, Geir...

(You can like !!! better if you wish, though.. no one's going to stop you there)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ian Dury--the music-hall influence on GO4 to be elaborated upon further, I'm sure...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we're forgetting about PUNISHMENT OF LUXURY in this whole equation!

(They were a really weird disco-punk band in that they fully integrated a Syd Barrett/"Nuggets" Acid Bubblegum element to their post-punk-disco that was pretty genius.)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

The music hall influence is the exact reason why Ian Dury was better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I probably like Ian Dury a shade better than Go4 but it's a really weird comparison, it's not like they have a hell of a lot in common

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link


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