Classic or Dud: U2

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Actually, it occurred to me that taking my supposition from the previous year that bands can be held accountable for the crimes of their followers (the Clash deserve smacking around for the likes of Rancid, even my adored Smiths need some hate for the pestilence that is Gene, etc.), U2 need to be collectively strung up for inspiring Creed. That Stapp twit said something a while back about how The Joshua Tree was his first rock album he ever got, and given how he was raised in an anti-music household or something it blew him away and has resulted in him dribbling out pseudo-spiritual hogwash since. Thanks for nothing!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Totally agree with you there, Ned. U2 has produced some dang annoying offspring with Creed being at the forefront of those.

Vinnie, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But Vinnie, "Pride" was one of the songs I mentioned in my original list!

I will gladly weather any ridicule people want to toss my way for liking "Stuck In A Moment..." because it's a great song (even if the video is somewhat trance-inducing in a bad way).

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

even if the video is somewhat trance-inducing in a bad way

MY POINT.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

dan and ned are not the same person anymore. my illusions are shattered. ilx will never be the same;(

gareth, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oops, you're right! It's so tiny it just slipped past my eyes. Um, good call on "Pride" then. :) "Stuck in a Moment" isn't a bad song, but I can't put it into the same category as "Pride", "I Will Follow", etc. because the chorus is not at all anthemic. Doesn't stick out when it comes to U2 choruses. But then, I liked "Walk On" so what do I know.

Vinnie, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Butbutbut Gareth, we both still hate Bono. Surely that must count for something...?

Vinnie: "Walk On" is a decent song; certainly it has a better chorus than "Elevation", but loses out in the end because, well, the tune is hella-weak. Maybe it's just the singer in me, but there was a very memorable moment last week when I was at a pizza place with some singing friends and when "Stuck In A Moment..." came on, we all joined in on the chorus simultaneously and without prompting. It was then that I realized how catchy that chorus is.

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

dan and ned are not the same person anymore. my illusions are shattered. ilx will never be the same;(

Remember, the difference in vowels in our name indicates that there will always be some minor points of conflict.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, some of these are great. But Depeche Mode's "Exciter" ? Oh, come on ! They're so comparable to U2... "Exciter" sounds like a softer "Achtung Baby" : same low tunes and deep voice drowned in a rock/electronica kind of sensual background but with meaningless lyrics. I can't believe you like Depeche Mode and hate U2... Btw is it really U2 you hate or just Bono ?

And a last thing : "If you're a U2 fan in turn, you shouldn't be caring what I think. ;-)"

Well I do love U2 but I care what you think : I'm not upset that you can't stand them, I just like the way you shoot them down, simple and sarcastic but still... funny. I guess I'm a fan who appreciates interesting remarks, even if there are sometimes a bit harsh.

Emeline Brunet, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can't believe you like Depeche Mode and hate U2... Btw is it really U2 you hate or just Bono ?

The prospect of the whole band. As it happens, I rather think that Achtung Baby reflects U2 listening to Violator instead of the other way around! ;-)

Well I do love U2 but I care what you think : I'm not upset that you can't stand them, I just like the way you shoot them down, simple and sarcastic but still... funny. I guess I'm a fan who appreciates interesting remarks, even if there are sometimes a bit harsh.

Ah, that's quite all right, then! I'm crabbier than I seem, I think, and I like people who stick to their guns but allow for debate anyway. :-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

_Exciter_ is a great album, actually. _All That You Can't Leave Behind_ is a decent album, certainly better than the few that preceeded it.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Best band ever.

Scott Smith, Friday, 27 June 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I heard "New Year's Day" this morning and I have to say that I hate Bono's singing.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

man, whatta fucking dud that new song is. overall, id say, u2 is a dud, but classic in a few exceptional instances.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Reading this thread all the way through is hilarious. It's like the definition of "indie snob." People who hate U2 are just trying way too hard. What if somebody thinks I like U2 as much as My Bloody Valentine! Most of the complaints have to do with the band's IMAGE for fuck's sake with no mention of the music. They inspired Creed! Oh no! Fuck you!
"Bad"
"Like a Song"
"With or Without You"
"Until the End of the World"
"Surrender"
There's five classic songs without even trying hard to think of any. Go hate on bands that deserve it, not bands that work with Eno AND uplift millions.

bono vox, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa - bono himSELF.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Indie snob here.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

that new single, at least from what I heard of it on the iPod commercial: fucking massive painful dud.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

most of achtung baby = classic

>>>>>> the rest

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a few of their songs, but once they get to all that yodelling, they totally lose me.

Jazz Police (NickB), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Boy, October, War = Classic

Unforgettable fire, joshua tree = less classic, but classic

rattle & hum = dud

acthung baby = classic

zooropa = less classic, but classic

since "pop" = so completely dud it is almost insane.

Elvis is Dead, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate U2.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

People who hate U2 are just trying way too hard

It's not that hard, trust me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I was actually listening to "A Celebration" this morning ("SHAKE..SHAKE!"). I can't hate U2. I can feel embarassment and regret at times, but I'll never hate them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, take Elvis is Dead's rundown. Say a classic album's one where at least half the songs are good. There's 15 good songs. Say between Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree there's five good songs. We're at 20. Add three more for Achtung Baby! and you have the magic mandalic number 23. 23 good songs is hard to just dismiss. Sure Bono wears sunglasses, and yes he's over 40 and concerned about Third World debt and he socializes with other fabulously successful people. 23 good songs! Don't people who love music like good songs? Don't people who love music appreciate bands capable of recording double-digit good songs?

de gustibus est non disputandem bla bla bla

bono vox, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't people who love music like good songs?

I like people who still think that 'good' is an objective term. You make me happy.

Now way up at the top of the thread you'll actually see that in the past I had quite a fondness for them, though never a full on 'must own everything' obsession. This fondness has been shot and has rotted away in the ground for almost fifteen years now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Elvis is Dead OTM

kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see your point, Ned. I don't mean to be a pest. I just need to stand up for the guys who recorded "Bad." Sure they've gotten kind of shitty, but up through Achtung Baby their hit to miss is hard to brush off.

bono vox, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex in NYC feels embarassment and regret for me.

The first few records are brilliant. And they always craft one terrific tune per CD.

But Bono is such an annoyance. I wanna break his glasses bad.
Plus, The Edge still calls himself The Edge. He's what, pushing 50?

Their current claim to quality is that they're not Sting.

ian g, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the new one BIG TIME. What's it called again? And I like the football one too.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The iPod commercial makes me want to burn them at the stake.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

It's funny, I kinda like Bono despite U2. I never fell for their first few records. The last one is ok though. And what's up with all the Acthung Baby love? Despite a couple of songs, it's pretty bland.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"ONE, TWO, THREE, FOURTEEN!"

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

occasional good songs whose qualities i hate to admit, they're a dud classic (bad bands i'm glad exist are classic duds).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I just wish they'd grow old with a little more grace. I mean, have you seen Bono lately? The shades and straw cowboy hat combo HAS GOT TO GO!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

YES FOR ONCE I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never seen so many "Dud" responses in a "Classic or Dud?" thread.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, Leon, he doesn't mean to bug you. Hey, why are you looking at me like that?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the new U2 song despite the revelation that Bono can't count.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i need to hear it. I like "discoteque" more than anything they've done since (except maybe the "discoteque"-rewrite "elevation") so if this is as bonkers as everybody says it is i might actually like it.

has u2 ever had any grace or dignity? their entire career seems riddled with fashion don'ts. they were cuter in their youth, but they were still guilty of numerous crimes against decency (ok starting with war, I really don't know the first two albums well at all).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

has u2 ever had any grace or dignity?

Well, i suppose it's all relative. Circa The Unforgettable Fire it certainly seemed like they were both graceful and dignified, but I'm sure it struck some that they were overreaching and pious at the time. Seems to me, though, that they stumbled after Achtung, Baby and still haven't re-found their footing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"elvis ate america"

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry "elvis presley and america"

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i've said this before but to sumarize - indifferent early on, loved War, disliked Unforgettable Fire, hated Joshua Tree, loathed Rattle & Hum, Achtung Baby was a 'wow, there is good stuff her, loved Zooroopa (unlike many) and hated Pop. gave up again after that.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

And what's up with all the Acthung Baby love? Despite a couple of songs, it's pretty bland.
-- danh (dan_haa...), October 20th, 2004.

Blasfemy!

Elvis is Dead, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I kinda dig the new one, reminds me of the strokes.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahah. (Sorry, I just find that funny for some reason...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

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But without them, we wouldn't have the Negativland thing.

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

classic of course

ranking 'em, personal choices:

Zooropa
Achtung Baby
Pop
The Joshua Tree
War
ATYCLB
Boy
The Unforgettable Fire
Rattle and Hum
October

Passengers would rank up high, but that ain't all U2. Never understood the dislike of their '90s work. Bono tones it down, better musically, better lyrics. Seems to be a good formula.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

it was kinda meant to be funny! but it's true too!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 21 October 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link


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