Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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I exchanged some boring Lou Reed guff for Volume 7 yesterday. I haven't listened to it yet, but it looks and feels nice.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

What was the Lou Reed? Had you bought it, from a shop?

It seems that vol 7, unlike other volumes, repeats existing and possibly familiar material.

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:52 (eighteen years ago) link

2 tracks are officially previously released.

Lou Reed NYC Man - a best of, 2 CDs for a fiver, from Fopp. So it was a part-exchange.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

But that sounds good!

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.


No. It's my single favourite Dylan performance.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 28 October 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally picked up Vol. 7 this week. Columbia is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of the folkie era material - there's nothing as revelatory as Percy's Song or Moonshiner here, but the Highway 61/Blonde on Blonde outtakes are pretty good. It's a shame that they're scattered across Biograph, Bootleg Series Vol. 1-3, and Bootleg Series Vol. 7, though.

I like the alternate take of "Stuck Inside of Mobile" the best.

John Hunter, Friday, 28 October 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Vol 7, once it gets going, is fantastic.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm - where is 'Moonshiner' again? Maybe I don't have it (I don't have Biograph).

I am glad to hear about Vol 7. I'll have to get it!

the bobfox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Moonshiner is Vol 1, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

its vol one and it is indeed fantastic...

it was sitting in the back of my memory untill cat power did it so damnedwell...these days i cant decide which i like better...

i've meant to dig up some old versions of it. a co-worker knows it from houseparty sessions when she was a kid..but hasn't pointed to any recorded versions..allmusic herei come

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

seems theres a tim hardin version and several b the clancy bro's...must be a legitimate trad. version somewhere..lots of comp albums boast it...time will telll

has anyone bought/heard the starbucks tapes?

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the Starbucks "Gaslight" CD -- it's good. The version of "Moonshiner" on there isn't as spine-tingling as the Bootleg Vol. 1 version, but it's a standout.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

dave van ronk's "moonshiner" is pretty comparable to dylan's probably because that's where Dylan most likely learned it.

Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Crikey - I must go back to this 'Moonshiner'. I have a feeling that it did impress me, during the inevitable recent Dylan revival phase.

the bobfox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I like She's Your Lover Now, but I always assumed it was left off Blonde On Blonde because it sounds too much like One Of Us Must Know. It does sound like a song that never quite finds its groove/tune. Maybe that's partly because I heard it after One Of Us Must Know.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Just listening to Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (Take 5) from Vol.7.

So great.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't got time to see if I've mentioned this before, but the No Direction Home soundtrack is amazing Disc 1 has the high school tape you just hear in the background in the documentary: very gentle, but he seems to change some on each track (like if you've ever seen Daniel Kramer's book of Dylan photos, he changes from shot to shot on Kramer's contact sheet, while walking down the street with Suze Rotolo, for the Freewheelin' cover). On Disc 2, Mike Bloomfield finally gets his skronky garagey highway blues due; Dyl doesn't quite hiave his words and/or vocal cues down yet,in some cases, so I guess that's why he used other sessions as masters. (Maybe Mike distracted him, awww!)(and the 2 Live '66 tracks at the end aren't redundant at all, they fit perfectly)(those are the only 2 prev issued, I think)

don, Thursday, 24 November 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Really enjoying the The Witmark Demos, but as I've been searching out reviews of the set I'm getting a little sick of the Dylan fanatics whining "well I've heard all these before, so this is nothing new and I can't believe they bothered to package this". Gee, thanks, but some of us like to not have to scrounge through tons of bootlegs and will happily pay for this stuff all collected and cleaned up nice.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 October 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, yeah, this is a great set, even though i may have been one of the fanatics complaining originally. second disc in particular is just a joy to listen to. i definitely prefer some of the versions here to the album versions.

tylerw, Monday, 1 November 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I am listening to that second disc now!

I wanted to hear what 'I'll keep it with mine' sounded like in its very first instance.

And now I am hearing 'Boots of Spanish Leather' - my goodness. Such depth he seems to have found, to have plumbed or fallen into.

About 'keep it with mine', have I others mentioned before the basic difficulty with this song, namely that the 'everybody / will help you' line doesn't really fit vs the music, so every cover (and so many covers have occurred) has to solve this problem anew?

the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

[= have I and / or others mentioned]

the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Just listening to Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (Take 5) from Vol.7.
So great.
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005

the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

my download code for the brandeis vinyl i bought in case anyone wants it:

http://www.myplaydirect.com/bobdylan/redeem_short_pin?cid=lg:4ve&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=retail

code: 349j3p56d57nd72

scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

anyone know where i could find a version of "when i paint my masterpiece" from the rolling thunder revue tour?

Moreno, Sunday, 24 April 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

just uh "replaced" the taped copy I had of the Bootleg Series Volume 2, as I'm sorta going through a mid-60s through the late 70s Bob-listening period at the moment and I am wondering at just how much there really is in the vaults from that '65-'67 period. Volume 2 really only includes a smattering - I have an unauthorized bootleg that I got back in the 90s called "Thin Wild Mercury Music" that has at least a dozen more tracks from the same sessions (Pilot Eyes, Just a Little Glass of Water, numerous alternate versions). Does anybody have any particular insight into this period or resources that would be worth checking out?

Also, did Dylan even tour the US with his electric band during this period? I mean I know about the inaugural folk festival shows and whatnot, but it seems like the live stories/bootlegs from this period are always from the two UK tours.

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

also - so glad to finally be hearing this 3/4 version of Like a Rolling Stone again

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

is that the one with the mickey jones replacing levon helm in the band?

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not sure...? it's very short, just over a minute-and-a-half. instrumentation is Bob at the piano, singing and playing harmonica too and I think there's some small electric guitar and organ bits at the end. I'll see if I can find a youtube...

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

wikipedia sez no

The recording sessions were produced by Tom Wilson on June 15–16, 1965, in Studio A of Columbia Records, 799 Seventh Avenue, in New York City.In addition to Bloomfield, the other musicians enlisted were Paul Griffin on piano, Joe Macho, Jr. on bass, Bobby Gregg on drums, and Bruce Langhorne on tambourine, all booked by Wilson. Gregg and Griffin had previously worked with Dylan and Wilson on Bringing It All Back Home.

On the first day, five takes of the song were recorded in a markedly different style from the eventual release—a 3/4 waltz time, with Dylan on piano. The lack of sheet music meant the song was played by ear. However the essence of the song was discovered in the course of the chaotic session. They did not reach the first chorus until the fourth take, but after the following harmonica fill Dylan interrupted, saying, "My voice is gone, man. You wanna try it again?" This take was subsequently released on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991. The session ended shortly afterwards.

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

Also, did Dylan even tour the US with his electric band during this period? I mean I know about the inaugural folk festival shows and whatnot, but it seems like the live stories/bootlegs from this period are always from the two UK tours.

According to this, he did do an electric tour of the US/Canada in 1966, but the personnel fluctuated. The US/Canada leg of the tour started out with Al Kooper and Levon Helm, and ended up with the rest of the Hawks and Bobby Gregg.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

ah. I've seen Eat the Document, for some reason I thought all that footage was from the UK tours. Not that there's a lot of um, explication in that film.

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

Tyler had a boot up from one of the US dates on his blog.

Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

There was also a mult-disc Bootleg Series release through Sony Japan only, with little publicity. Yet another reminder of just how crazy he is, to sideline something this good (like leaving the Desire sessions' "Golden Loom" in the can so long, in favor of shit like "Joey"). It ranges from the very early 60s, when he sounds like a mean ol' compelling preacher man on "Wade In The Water". to the late '90s, I think. A few prev released tracks, but nothing too obvious. He even reads 60s poetry from the stage, way better than most of the stuff on back album jackets (before John Wesley Harding, that is). Telltale Signs is mostly excellent too, although it's mostly about lost love, gotta be ready for that(the music's always good)(of course I'm just talking about the double-disc, but you could probably get everything on the third disc from the bargain bin or downloads, for much, much less than the full edition, though still wouldn't have the book, boo-hoo)

dow, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

there seem to be a handful of outtakes from his 65-67 studio sessions that I can't find:

California
You Don't Have to Do That
Why Do You Have to Be So Frantic?

and then I guess various alternate versions of some things...

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

Also see Tyler's link to Renaldo and Clara on YouTube, speaking of Rolling Thunder. I haven't heard the Bootleg Series Rolling Thunder, don't know how it compares with thar (the old Hard Rain live LP has some good R Thunder performances). It's 3' 36", but very episodic, no prob with breaks. Don't know why it got such bad reviews: you get mostly really good, already speculative re-arrangements of songs from early 60s to recent past, and the whole thing is also a continuation of the troubled relationship dynamic on Blood On The Tracks--not a rolling cinematic break-up album, but scenes with restless,wry, sly, not-buyin'-any-alibis women, and somewhat befuddled men, the latter inching towards middle-aged crazy. (The actually middle-aged men, like Ronny Hawkins, Allen Ginsberg and Ramblin' Jack, thrive in the spotlight.) Great sound and pungent 70s dirty silver screen visuals (Dyl had already made the Scorsese connection after all, and maybe thinkin Cassavetes, Pennebacker of course, hoping for success like that of Altman's Nashville, or Led Zep's Song Remains The Same, it's kind of in between those)

dow, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

another question:

what the hell was Dylan doing between New Morning and Pat Garrett? So weird that he went so long without releasing anything except a couple random largely ignored singles

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

I may have the chronology wrong, but I think that's around when Bob was trying to shake off any number of stalkers (Weberman and the like). Since putting out a crap record (Self Portrait) on purpose didn't throw people off his trail, he probably decided to clam up entirely.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link

he was raising kids and chickens and shit

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

"Cow Pie!" Now that nobody goes to MySpace, tons of albums there: whole series and boxes of Hank, Cash, Miles and Dylan for inst. All of BD's original 60s releases (in their 2010 mono, plus Best of the Mono Recordings). Several in the Bootleg Series, like the Whitmark Demos, Halloween Mask, Vols.1-3: Series of Dreams, Live At Brandeis (not sure if that's formally incl in Bootleg Series, but def 60s)

dow, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://s.discogss.com/image/R-4142927-1356735357-6465.jpeg

Not a part of the bootleg series, but may as well be. Sony/Columbia quietly released 100 copies of this across a few European countries at the end of December, and it was available for download in a few countries (at an exorbitant price) but that's it. The mp3 download version apparently uses the less subtle artwork above, while the physical copies used the 50th Anniv. title. Basically all the alternate/live tracks they wanted to not let slip into the public domain? I'm not sure I understand how copyright law works that they had to do this, but I wish it was more widely available.

http://www.discogs.com/Bob-Dylan-The-50th-Anniversary-Collection-The-Copyright-Extension-Collection-Vol-I/release/4142612

city worker, Friday, 4 January 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

out there on t0rrentz, of course

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 4 January 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link

haha, saw this. so weird. some good stuff on there, nothing that hasn't been around on bootlegs, i don't think?

tylerw, Friday, 4 January 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link

Isn't there something major happening with copyright law in Europe this year? I seem to recall some hand-wringing about "and now Beatles songs will be public domain!"

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, there's an EU directive now in force which extends copyright in sound recordings from 50 to 70 years. So the Beatles are protected. More here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/sep/15/copyright-extension-cliffs-law-beatles

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 4 January 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks, that's what I was looking for!

xp

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link

ugh y didnt my vid post it is the most necessary vid

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 January 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pPQUh%2B7aL._SL500_.jpg
guess the floodgates are kinda opening with these euro bootleg collections. available on amzon. four discs for pretty cheap i think.

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

record store day release -- Bob Dylan Wigwam b/w Thirsty Boots from the forthcoming Bootleg Series Volume 10, features the demo version of Wigwam and the unreleased track from the Self Portrait sessions.
kind of cool, guess it'll be a 69-70 collection or something? Self Portrait outtakes!

tylerw, Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

oh man self-portrait outakes....do we dare hope for new morning outtakes????

in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link


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