Seattle! How is it now? Are there jobs? Should I move there?

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jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ah, Seattle. I moved to the wrong Capitol Hill
:)

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

A. Lingbert, you'd mentioned upthread that you would consider other neighborhoods once you got to town, so here are some others to check out: lower queen anne, belltown, ballard, freemont, wallingford. they range from very central to more neighborhoody and outlying, and from equally expensive to a bit cheaper.

the advice to walk and look around is the best thing mentioned on this thread. a great apartment next to my house sat open for 6 months because all the (lazy) landlords did was put a sign up on one utility pole.

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

All terrific neighborhoods (good call Jergins!) - we lived on the fringe of lower Q.A. and Belltown - across from Caffe Minnie's and diag from Tiny Biggs. It would be so great to live there again (someday...) Looks like I'll be spending 2 weeks of Aug (+Bumbershoot weekend) in town though, so that will have to do for now :)

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

fap as usual plz

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yes! I found a yummy carnivorous place over in Madrona - Cremant. Excellent charcuterie. But I think Aug might be time for huge tiki drinks at Ohana, something like that. I saw the PNB on the Bumbershoot lineup! Is this a first?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure what the deal is, actually. Since the ballet season ended, I moved next door to the Intiman. I'm just hoping that since I'm on the grounds working during Bumbershoot, I get in free.

As for a fap, it'd be fun to have one outside. play ping pong or croquet and drinkdrinkdrink. We must welcome A Lingbert!

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Drinking and croquet!!! Where can we do this?!? Because, that would be excellent!

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

My house maybe? i do have a piddly yard that could work for croquet. it'd be fun to have a house-fap. cheaper, for sure. and we could cook a bunch.

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Still my favourite city! I wish I could come back.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 13 July 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Seattle went downhill after the Pilots left.
(this may not be true)

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 13 July 2006 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

they did 'turn back the clock' day at Sunday's M's game, using the Pilots '69 uniforms. Check out these hats! Damn:

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-109672reg.jpg

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 13 July 2006 01:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Lower Queen Anne = favorite neighborhood I've ever lived in anywhere. I cannot recommend it highly enough. I was right by the Seattle Center and a block away from Tower, near a lot of terrific restaurants and coffee shops, just lovely. It's cheaper than Cap Hill and there's plenty to do, plus it has Larry's Market, the best grocery store in the city, and a 24-hour drugstore on top of it, plus a couple all-night eateries. Plus plus plus. I miss it intensely.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 13 July 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

My house maybe?

!!!

We have a croquet set in storage over there, and will gladly contribute food, booze, and cleanup labor.

Can you get those hats from Ebbets Field Flannels? I know they still make the Rainers one. But those Pilots caps are amazing!

Matos - so so otm.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 13 July 2006 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to be in Seattle this weekend. Doing the Seattle-to-Portland bike ride.

I used to live in a big old haunted house in Madrona, but it's been years since I've been back. It'll be nice to be back.

mikef (mfleming), Thursday, 13 July 2006 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, this thread took off! Sorry I haven't been more responsive, but between work and getting everything packed/trashed/donated/sold/cleaned/etc before the move, I haven't had much time to check ILE.

Lots of great suggestions. I was only in Seattle for about 2 days last month, so I obviously didn't get to see everything, and my impressions of the areas are fairly vague. I decided on Captol Hill as my first choice based on some positive things I'd heard/read about it and the little of it that I saw. What sold me (at the time, anyway), I think, was the neighborhood leading down to Washington Park (I'm pretty sure I have my geography straight here, but maybe not). It looked so pleasant and green, but maybe that's a super-expensive area that I won't be able to afford anyway.

I thought Ballard was a nice area, but maybe a little far from things and maybe a little too tranquil. I liked Fremont a lot, but it seemed like a place to visit rather than live in. Upper Queen Anne seemed generally uninteresting and overpriced (though nice views, of course), but I'll definitely have to give Lower Queen Anne a good look. I don't know if I saw much of Belltown or Wallingford at all.

I'm also thinking I might have to finally break down and get a cell phone. If I'm going to be wandering around most of the time when I get there, I don't want to miss any calls from prospective rentals. 28 years I've avoided having one, but I suppose maybe it's time. Where does someone even shop for cell phones? Malls? My friend says he likes Sprint. I guess they have Sprint stores, don't they?

But yeah, I'd totally be down to FAP should one materialize.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Thursday, 13 July 2006 06:43 (seventeen years ago) link

My sister lives in Madison Park, which seems right for her like for quiet but, er, funky (where in Seattle isn't?). I don't dislike Capitol Hill, but have never seen the big deal, and my like for the U District would probably lead me to consider Wallingford or perhaps-too-far-flung Ravenna (Laurelhurst?). But I'm an outsider, so whaddoiknow? On my last trip, I only saw a bit of the somewhat-alien-to-me Lower Queen Anne, but I guess in hindsight I see appeal in the convenience of (sleepy) commercial life, plus Bay views and Seattle Center walking paths. Morning sun (what morning sun?) vs. afternoon sun.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, Lower QA seems more urban (almost Hollywoodish?) than your typical residential Seattle nabe, but am I right that more urban there paradoxically translates to lower density?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

mikef - we lived in the big ole house in Madrona referred to locally as "the castle" - huge stucco, grand staircase/2 story bay window, next to catholic church parking lot. I don't know if it was haunted, though that would've explained some things. Good luck on the ride.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 13 July 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

gab, not sure what you mean by Hollywood-ish... Sure, there are a lot of people who live there who are more prone to yuppiebling .. then again, if we're making crass generalizations, there are lots of people in Cap Hill that are willing to hipster-tight-pants-bedhead themselves out, too.

I mean, the Funhouse, Seattle Center, Larry's, Easy Street, Pagliacci, Racha, Roti, Blue Water Grill, Mirabeau, Ladro, post office, Bamboo Garden, McMennamins, more thai... all within easy walking distance. I don't think Hollywood allows for this many places to be this walkable from one place -- having grown up in west part of L.A.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I love living in Fremont, but you're going to get a TERRIBLE impression of it if you revisit it now, because the Fremont Bridge is being torn up right now, and will be under construction until early next year. However, area landlords haven't quite felt the burn of the temporary lack of attractability of this quite yet.. Maybe retry by end of year if you visit there and really enjoy it and want to move there.. that's also a good time to move (crappy weather, many people move out, therefore easy to find a place anywhere anyway), but also I'm guessing rents won't be as high.. especially in the QA side of Fremont, where I live (and take advantage of slightly lower rent, without being bottlenecked by the under-construction drawbridge when trying to get to downtown)

Then again, you said you'd rather visit than live there, and that's a very fair assessment of Fremont.. especially now. (I'm just riding out the construction issues)

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought perhaps gabbneb had confused the P4ul 4ll3n Eastlake/south Lake Union area with lower QA, except for the bay views part (which really, you get more of that from Magnolia).

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

One nice aspect of Ballard - if you bike, the Burke-Gilman trail is right there. Good friends of ours live there and she bikes to work at the U every day. Another lovely green area is Montlake which is surrounded on the east by the arboretum, the south by the Montlake cut (and the 520 bridge and the university), the north by Capitol Hill and the west by Eastlake - though there aren't as many apartments there, more houses and split houses and it's more limited in local (as in just out your door) services, but you are close to everything.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

gab, not sure what you mean by Hollywood-ish

yeah, a bad example wrt walkability, but it seemed to fit in the sense that it's filled with a fair amount of cool commercial places, but also felt a bit empty. my impression might well be unfair - i only spent a little time in a little stretch of it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, if you only hung on Dexter Ave. or Westlake Ave, then I can understand... Westlake Ave. south of the lake is this weird DMZ-turning-bizness area right now... I always like walking on Westlake Ave. because, besides it being a direct 35 minute walk back home on a nice temperate evening to sober myself up, it also runs into one of the few warehouse-y parts of central Seattle that's not Sodo.. and, while it may feel creepy to newcomers, it feels really quiet and is a nice escape from the bars-everywhere parts of the city... the waterfront second-half part of the walk will never change, and this is one of the main reasons I love living where I do. (Anyway, sorry to bore y'all.)

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Thursday, 13 July 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

A Lingbert, what did you find?

jergins (jergins), Sunday, 23 July 2006 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, I tried to revive this thread earlier, but for some reason, whenever I would try and access the thread from the search, it would log me out.

Anyway, I signed the lease on a place in Lower Queen Anne yesterday. I found looking for a place to be extremely frustrating, and so when I came across this place, I just said fuck it and signed. I was able to talk them down to a 9 month lease, and it's fairly cheap (also small. 300 sq ft studio, and it has a gorgeous sidewalk-level view), and the neighborhood does seem cool. I'm only a few blocks NW of the main area. I figure I'll use the 9 months to get a better feel of the city and find a better place then. No big deal (though I'm kinda bummed because I got a call from a place I liked better later that night, but by then it was too late. Alas).

So yeah, thanks for all the tips everyone. I move in next weekend. Tomorrow I start job hunting. I'm looking for something temporary until I finish my EMT stuff in December, so maybe I'll try and hit up one of the neighborhood places. I'm going to talk with a temp agency tomorrow hopefully, too.

Also, Seattle is confusing as hell to drive in.

Also, the downtown library is the coolest library ever.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Monday, 24 July 2006 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Seattle is confusing as hell to drive in

Very true. When I moved there, I wanted to be sure to live in sight of the Space Needle, so I'd have a landmark to find my way home. Also, lower QA is where the differing grids of the two guys who laid out the city meet up in chaos. (Arthur Denny and Doc somebody - read Sons of the Profits for enlightenment; v. funny esp. the rivalry between Tacoma and Seattle.)

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll have to check out that book at some point, Jaq. Sounds interesting.

Went to the Japanese Garden today. It's nice, but I really really really really wish it wasn't right next to a busy street (Lake Washington Blvd?). The traffic noise ruins the ambience.

I briefly drove through (and stopped a couple times) the Washington Park Arboretum. It manages to be just far enough away from the busy street that the traffic noise subsides to a dull roar and you can actually hear the animals and the wind. I'm looking forward to going back and spending more time there.

Has anyone been to the Hoh Rain Forest? Once I get settled in, that's at the top of my to do list. Should I be as excited about seeing it as I am?

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The Hoh is awesome! I drove over that way initially to see what a town named Humptulips would be like, but hiking in the rainforest was the best. Once when we were there in November, a herd of elk were munching away right next to the trail. Also, in the spring I've seen families of river otter playing. Another cool thing to do on the peninsula is the ocean beaches - all kinds of tide pools - and the hot springs at Sol Duc.

That book was written by the guy who originally started the Underground Tour, whose name has completely escaped me. Bill something or other.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Welcome!

Yeah, there's no way to avoid that initial "GAWD I HATING DRIVING IN THIS FUCKING CITY!" breaking-in period... but it does go away once you find ways to maneuver around the streets that don't end prematurely, get collided into 5+-way intersections, or get confused with the whole directional suffix. (i.e. Denny Way, Boren Ave, Westlake Ave., Taylor Ave., Hwy 99/Aurora, etc. -- ok Westlake becomes Nickerson St. just south of Fremont, but the street swerved to become east-west so that makes some sense at least).

The worst thing is trying to get to the other side of Aurora Expressway, and the sad truth is.. you just have to know which streets go underneath or over it, and which streets don't -- the hard way.. since that cement center divider knows no exceptions (south of Winona Ave. that is.)

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep in mind you might give up eventually and take the bus. >:D

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure I've ever been to Hoh, but if you're going out that way you can stop/stay at the Coast and do some beachwalking/tidepooling/etc. (or, 2nding Jaq)

also, psst... Mt. Rainier

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I have been planning to walk/take the bus a lot more once I get settled in. As of right now, though, it seems like it would be easier to take a car. Though apparently by "easier," I must mean "frustrating and disorienting." Donut summed it up pretty well, but you forgot to mention the sudden one-ways and criss-crossing train tracks or parked cars that take up 2/3 of a lane, forcing everyone to merge into the next lane (why is it legal to park like that in certain areas?).

The Hoh is awesome! I drove over that way initially to see what a town named Humptulips would be like, but hiking in the rainforest was the best. Once when we were there in November, a herd of elk were munching away right next to the trail. Also, in the spring I've seen families of river otter playing. Another cool thing to do on the peninsula is the ocean beaches - all kinds of tide pools - and the hot springs at Sol Duc.
I'm there, maan.

What is this "Mt. Rainier" you speak of, gabbneb? Is this some obscure local attraction?

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a big dirty snow cone that likes to show off and it occasionally flouds the south sound with mud and shit every few hundred years.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

But as long as you're north of the south burbs, or -- in case of the Mega Lahar! -- north of West Seattle, you'll be fine.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

As for the narrow lanes... well, yeah, Seattle was built before anticipating SUVs, Hummers, etc. California and (maybe) Florida and other states may have a budget to repave the roads to accomodate them, but WA state usually is reparing or reconstructing other things instead of trying to expand lane width. You just have to be careful.

And if you haven't noticed, Seattle drivers are.. ur.. bad. But they're very polite and slow bad drivers, so you can see the dumb thing a driver is going to do 5 seconds ahead, allowing you to roll your eyes, and just slow down and/or maneuver around him or her.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, the downtown library is the coolest library ever.

The one time I was in Seattle was during the grand opening shindig, and it was pretty cool. But man, is that place going to look dated in 20 years.

I'm moving to eastern Washington in a week, so I'm probably going to get to Seattle more often now as it will be the closest "real" city. Spokane is big-ish compared to whare I'm from and where I'll be, but it dosen't quite cut it.

joygoat (joygoat), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 03:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Joygoat - where in eastern WA? I currently live in Richland.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Pullman. The wife's going to be a professor at WSU. I'm sort of going along for the ride, and to figure out what I'm going to do with my life.

joygoat (joygoat), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Seattle drivers ARE slow. And, they're abnormally considerate to pedestrians, which I guess works out fine since they're driving so slowly.

haha I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the "STOP FOR ME IT'S THE CLAW" sign that someone posted on another thread is right here in Seattle.

The downtown library looks kinda dated now, actually, but it's still cool. Though maybe I'm still in the passionate beginning phase of the relationship where everything is lovey-dovey and wonderful and the sex is fantastic, but soon the novelty will wear off.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 05:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't seen the library! i'd really like to. vancouver built a new downtown library in 1995 or so that looks like a bad copy of rome's colesseum. it's weird and the substrate is already ruined, making the lovely brick expanses full of pits and bumps. a friend has a really good point about it; he loves bringing visitors downtown, where they'll invariably ask 'what the hell is that building?' and are then blown away that it's actually our library.

our library in a scene from battlestar galactica: http://www.kriskrug.com/images/vancouver-library-battlestar-galactica.jpg

i was just in seattle briefly to tour the U-W campus' student union building in advance of a similar project at SFU. how does the university district fit into the city as a whole, culturally? both of vancouver's universities are relatively quite isolated from the city centre.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link

here's the inside concourse: http://www.nyu.edu/tisch/preservation/images/03amia/amia03library-241.jpg

sorry to derail the thread. i'm just trying to prompt some similar photos of the seattle library.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Jaq, Donut, ALingbert, others: how would Sunday August 27th at 3 pm suit you for a daytime, outdoor, homestyle, croquet-playing, liquored FAP?

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

buddy!

(i assume, minus a dot, that's your email?)

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Derrick:

The U-district is certainly in a corner of the city that many can easily avoid if they want to, however, it's really easy to bus to from any central neighborhood in Seattle, really. If you have to try and map central Seattle as a square, the U-district would easily be the NE point of that square... it's not "way the fuck out" there, comparatively speaking, i.e. it's NOT like UBC where it's this place hidden and tucked away west of a mini-forest that separates it from Kitsilano.

That said, UBC is a beautiful campus in a beautiful spot.. and the isolation does give it part of its charm.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Seattle drivers ARE slow. And, they're abnormally considerate to pedestrians, which I guess works out fine since they're driving so slowly.

True story: One night about 11:30 p.m.--a weeknight--on Capitol Hill, I was headed to Chop Suey for a show. No traffic, except one car coming from my left. I was about to jay walk and decided, sensibly, to wait for the car to pass. The driver stopped in the middle of the block and waved me across. It's like, "You idiot, I'm waiting for YOU. YOU'RE the one with the 2,000-pound piece of metal that could crush me. GO!"

I really love the U District, one of the places in the city that's retained its funkiness, and especially enjoyable once you're immune to spare-changers, as I've been for a while now. (Though once I did get heckled by a couple spare-changers in Belltown, which was interesting.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 27 July 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

donut, yes, that's the one: jergins at gmail dot com

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Thing about the U-district that's underrated is that, comparitively speaking, it's the closest Seattle gets to having a Soho district.

Is it like New York's?

Fugghedaboutit.

It is like Robson St in downtown Vancouver?

Uh, no.

Does it have a lot of cool shops that people gloss over and don't realize exist because people think Capitol Hill is the Soho of Seattle when in fact it's really the fringe art retail neighborhood moreso than anything else?

Definitely.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Soho?! seems more like Morningside Heights to me

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link


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