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things were better when the dad rock legends were generally considered to be the enemy

Why?

xxp Pink Floyd are a singular group and Nick Mason's drumming defies qualifiers like "great", "serviceable" or "incompetent" IMO.

its funny how bad some drummers were back in the British Invasion days. one time I listened to the second Nazz album just focusing on the drums and couldn't help but notice the dude fucking up repeatedly. looked him up and it turns out he played on a record with Mitchell Froom many years later

xps whoever edited that 'Remember a Day' video made sure you don't get to see Richard Wright sing at all, not even for a fucking second. What an ass.

I really liked John Oswald’s 1994/1995 albums that comprised Grayfolded - Transitive Axis and Mirror Ashes - where he built, layered, and "folded" over 100 versions of The Dead’s “Dark Star” to produce two large recomposed versions, each about one hour long

― Dan S, Friday, December 4, 2020 5:57 PM

Thanks for this mention. Not something we knew about. Certainly not life changing, but enjoying it in the moment right now.

... nazz were from philly

xp

On the early stuff his playing is impressionistic and intuitive, Syd Barrett's songs have a quality of someone's first attempts at songwriting and their playing is tentative and exploratory (apart from Waters maybe) but very stiff. The stiffness, not the out-ness, is what makes it "weird" for me, and maybe also special.

David Gilmore is a much more fluid player and there's a smoothing out of Nick Mason's stiffness over a few albums, but not entirely and I feel like it follows the same basic template.

The thing about PF is you can really hear the effort they're making to match their ambitions. I'm always listening to that space between their abilities and their ambition, can't help it really. Probably until Pompeii or DSoTM where it feels like they've totally mastered their own idiom.

super otm

xps

I still don't like much of this music and it was more fun to hate when it felt like we were taking down The Man together

for an edgelord thread this is really rather polite now eh

all music is shit. bastards like it

This thread was Ross’s great contribution before he disappeared.

dang

From what we knew of him, I'd like to think he'd be very satisfied with that knowledge. Hope he's well, wherever he is.

Mouse otm

I always get the Nazz and the Move mixed up in my head

great post deflatormouse

Now listening to the Pink Floyd Empire Pool `74 show and it. . . well, rules.

I mean, I like the Dead a lot; maybe even love some of their recordings. But Pink Floyd —on this recording— is clearly better than the Dead ever were.

Remember a Day does have a classic drum part; unfortunately, it was played on the record by producer Norman Smith.

However, Nick Mason did compose and record The Grand Vizier's Garden Party, the most clever quasi-drum solo in rock history.

the dead have no fans in the UK afaict

There's one on ILX. But that's about it. For the UK. Why are people always spelling Dave Gilmour's name wrong?

I recall the Dead playing a couple of nights at Wembley Arena (capacity 10k) back in the late 80s, might have been full of expat Americans/people who'd travelled from elsewhere in the UK though.

mason doesn't play on Remember a Day i thought

as someone mentioned before me lol
also this is a tell
"This thread was Ross’s great contribution before he disappeared.

― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp)"

I haven't listened to PF since I was a teen and I just gamely listened to 3 minutes of "Echoes" live an Pompeii and it was absolutely the biggest load of crap I've ever heard

that rules

Yeah, I really don't get the love for PF around these parts.

Pink Floyd to me is one of the greatest mismatches ever between my expectations based their description prior to hearing them and the reality of how much I dislike actually hearing them. And I’ve really tried over the years.

You gotta listen to the right three minutes of Echoes at Pompeii.

The only bad song Pink Floyd released between 1967 and 1977 was Biding My Time on Relics. Money is borderline (both blues songs).
I love all the rest, even the twee Wright songs, the instrumentals on Ummagumma, the improvisations on More, Waters' folk songs, Crumbling Land, Absolutely Curtains, Shine On part IX, both parts of Pigs on the Wing.

I think Pink Floyd are OK.

I like the Floyd's ambient drift and the serene blankness of the vocals post Sydney. Rarely feel drawn to listen to them and Rodge is an obnoxious twat, obv. But they have their moments.

I quite like "Biding My Time" <---- controversial music opinion. I hate "If", "St Tropez" and "Free Four". All Waters' songs, of course.

Sure I've done this story before but I used to live in a flat underneath some hippy who had side one of Meddle on a loop, would often drift off to sleep and wake up with the bass line of "Fearless" rumbling thru the ceiling. Still fucking love that song.

yeah "Biding My Time" is great, wtf

“st. tropez” is silly but charming, imo.

idk much about technical drumming proficiency but i was listening to animals the other day and forgot how great the rhythm section sounds throughout. there are some grooves on that record.

I believe Roger Waters didn't play much bass on that album?

he plays on “dogs” but not “pigs” or “sheep,” which, uh, are the ones that groove

Far too serious to groove

he sounds great doing the baas at the beginning of “sheep” tho

a great baas player

On reflection, both More Blues and Seamus are also pretty negligible. I don't think they knew how to stamp their personality on blues changes until Shine On parts III and VI.

The only bad song Pink Floyd released between 1967 and 1977 was Biding My Time on Relics. Money is borderline (both blues songs).

You are Geir Hongro and I claim my five pounds

Who thinks Pink Floyd's forte was playing the blues?

No one, you're right there. Although describing a song performed in 7/4 as "blues" is pushing the term a bit too far.

Anyway, I don't think he would like Interstellar Overdrive, Quicksilver etc.

I think Pink Floyd are OK.

I do love "Money", though.

Based on that video of Nick Mason mock-playing the drums on 'Remember a Day', I should have guessed that he did not, in fact, play drums on 'Remember a Day'.

I like the Gilmour songs on The Wall, and a few Syd songs, and I find 70s Roger Waters oddly very attractive, but that's the limit of my defence for this truly abominable band

Man, this thraed has been on rocket fuel over the last few days.

Natalie Merchant sounds like a calligraphy teacher doing karaoke. That's not necessarily a criticism.

Why must you do this to me, fgti, why?

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