Things you were shockingly old when you learned

lol, i love that

That Johnny Cash recorded a theme song for Thunderball with lyrics a bit on the nose. It was rejected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx-x-sGk9oI

Sounds a little too much like the "Underdog" theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1fH0SvGPg

Ah yes!

Here's a version with it overlaid on the title sequence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-AN5mJF13A:

that rules, what a weird hybrid of Cash's style at the time with still-forming "Bond theme" tropes.

I can see why that was rejected but I love it

MatthewK, I have definitely had dreams that involved my posting to ILX.

ah yes, I've had several where I started a flamewar online and then everybody came to my city trying to find me and pummel me

Dream or premonition, who can be certain

just know if one of you motherfuckers breaks into my house, i have a nativity scene i can beat ur ass to death with

*complex emotions*

the doors are actually pretty good if you limit yourself to one (short) song at a time

just catching up on this thread - so we’re sending people to the city of Coventry to break into neanderthal’s house, but luckily for him the doors are actually pretty good.
did I get that right or was it, like, all a dream?

and you were there, and salt n pepa were there and heavy d was there

Mark Moore out of S-Express is the half-brother of the late actor Stephen Moore (maybe best known as Adrian Mole's dad).

Oooh, interesting.

I literally JUST realized that the "Fitz-" prefix on English names like Fitzroy, Fitzgerald, etc. is a cognate of French fils.

"Fitz-" names only appear after the Norman conquest, when the nobility spoke, DUH, French.

And you'd think "Fitzroy" would be enough of a clue because it literally means "son of the king."

Bastard son, iirc.

wow, that never occurred to me

Bastard son, iirc

Yes in practice but it really does just mean "son of," etymological speaking.

I am reading a history of Scotland in which the MacMalcolms (pre-conquest) become FitzMalcolms to align with Norman power brokers, and that led me down this rabbit hole.

Huh, I had no idea.

The Normans were invited into Scotland, by King David, they didn't conquer it, right?

Kings were often quite fond of their bastard sons, iirc.

Having a few spare sons around is always useful.

especially when one or two die a tragic diarrhea death

It happens to the best of us.

Tom: Normans didn't conquer Scotland but also didn't feel they needed to. In 1072, Malcolm Canmore (under threat of the sword) acknowledged William's overlordship, and became a vassal / client kingdom.

how to properly pronounce Dunedin. sorry estela! i was saying "DUNN-uh-den", but i think it's more like do-NEE-den

for a long time i thought it was just dune-din

its more like duh-NEE-den

Done Eden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXn7t5iLAbc

My entire family loves Brussels sprouts, including my more veggie averse kid, which I always found surprising, given their reputation ("eat your Brussels sprouts!"). And then I learned that in the 1990s a Dutch scientist identified the chemicals that make Brussels sprouts bitter and cross-bred out the bitterness with a high-yield variety, and after that their popularity skyrocketed.

You'd think the Belgians would be the ones to step up.

Or maybe they should be called Amsterdam sprouts

Nether Sprouts.

Don't know if it is shocking but I finally learned this term for a common phenomenon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merism

Similar to when I learned via ILX the therm "antimetabole."

Man, you want a deep dive? I always knew the (American) use of the term "commode" for "toilet" was pretty regional, largely southern, but looking into it I learned all sorts of (erm) shit:

https://theweek.com/articles/580173/brief-history-lavatory-language

Biggest new term to me was "thunder mug" or "thunder box."

Thunderbox is Australian afaik (specifically an outdoor, wooden loo, for the vibrant resonance).

Done Eden

(two Charlene references in four days, a happy week!)

Thunderbox is Australian afaik (specifically an outdoor, wooden loo, for the vibrant resonance).

https://img.discogs.com/C0hve5Jx-9t3qhjUu3_Cjw_S_Gw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-5824573-1434025506-3898.jpeg.jpg

... this from the guy who sang about khazis on "Lazy Sunday".

it's possible he'd met an Australian or two during his international rock stardom tbf. iirc a seminal text about scatologically unrestrained oafish Ockers, that took particular delight in euphemistic slang, had been running in a London magazine for a decade by then

he met a bunch of Australians when the Small Faces toured there with The Who in '68

Mark and Luke, Gospel authors, were not in the original twelve apostles. (Matthew and John probably weren't written by Matthew and John but that's another story. Really the quality of Biblical teaching in British schools is appalling but any close reading would probably cause dramatic loss of faith so naturally avoided by C of E schools.)

That they weren't was one of the things I was taught at school. I'm not sure anyone ever told me they were, before that, I guess I just vaguely assumed. John almost certainly was written by a different John (though which one is up for debate iirc)

It's just possible I wasn't paying attention.

Though I'm pretty sure no-one ever said re: the nativity "the census required Joseph to move back to his ancestral home of 40 generations ago".

I was raised areligious and attended American public schools, so finally making a concerted effort to learn more about the varied religions of the world over the last several years has been m/l a daily dose of 'shockingly old when'.

the gospels were written by the primary (competing) sects that had grown in the wake of jesus' death life aiui, or at least that's how an old friend of my dad's from divinity school told me when i was 11 years old, who memorably followed that information up by admonishing me that the idea they were actually written by people named matthew mark luke and john was "horseshit"

I remember that the lost common source for synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, which share the basic story and have many verses in common) was named 'Q', which is funny in the light of QAnon.