Star Wars: The Mandalorian

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we don't need The Child's backstory after that point, frankly. not really interested in seeing medical torture flashbacks

Definitely this. It was bad enough when Adam Pally the stormtrooper hit him. I also think that too much backstory runs the risk of Mando becoming a side character in his own show, which I don't want. One of the things I like about it at the moment is that he drifts in and out of other people's stories, and some of the more Star Warsy people recognize some of those stories, and some don't. But Mando and Kid's forward motion is the focus, and I will be disappointed if that changes.

trishyb, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:08 (three years ago) link

i think they’ll stick with that. the main appeal of it all is the relationship between the two.

and got the impression that that glance between baby yoda and the jedi at the end was a shared acknowledgment that baby yoda had told her with his “feels” that the mandalorian needed baby yoda as much as the other way round.

Fizzles, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:38 (three years ago) link

After a few days to live with it, I find myself surprisingly ok with “Grogu”.

Kim, Sunday, 29 November 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

I love it

Spottie, Sunday, 29 November 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

the terrorists have already won

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 November 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link

Chatting with Rosario and Filoni about things

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/11/rosario-dawson-dave-filoni-mandalorian-ahsoka-tano-grogu

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 November 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

I don't really see the big deal with "Grogu" tbh, I mean, "Yoda" is a pretty dumb sounding name too but we've had 40 years to live with it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 November 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link

It's no Yanno!

Nhex, Monday, 30 November 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link

Yoda is much more euphonic than Grogu.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 30 November 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

Grogu will stifle giggles when a menacing figure steps out of the shadows and introduces himself as 'Boba'

nashwan, Monday, 30 November 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link

"After the tea." "What?"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 November 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link

My son absolutely geeked out over Ahsoka, lived up to the hype. I think I geeked out more for the mention of Thrawn, tbh, but I think Dawson did a really good job with the character.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 November 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link

To find out more about why Ahsoka is searching for Thrawn, stay tuned for the entirety of Star Wars: Rebels on Disney+

mh, Monday, 30 November 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

Yeah, my deep-into-it pal had commented to me: "Filoni has this weird thing where he keeps turning his current show into his previous show. Rebels eventually just became an extension of the Clone Wars and now Mandalorian is becoming an extension of Rebels."

meditate in my direction (morrisp), Monday, 30 November 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link

Continuing plot threads, imo

mh, Monday, 30 November 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

If The Mandalorian was strictly a Filoni-led thing I think we'd have been there a long time back but he's only done one episode a season; Favreau is clearly the lead guy in this thing.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 November 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

Directing wise, sure, but I think Filoni has a stronger hand in this thing than that Ned. Considering his prominent place in the Gallery doc, he had more speaking time than anyone besides Favreau. I'm not complaining, mind, I don't think it's a bad thing to pick up these threads. I'd rather see Ahsoka than, I don't know, Poe Dameron's dad or something.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 November 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

"Yoda" is a pretty dumb sounding name too but we've had 40 years to live with it.

tbh one of my first memories of seeing a movie was with yoda, so it's not so much that i've grown accustomed to it as it is that I have never been without it!
"grogrü" on the other hand

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 November 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link

my brother peeled baby yoda pic.twitter.com/JUj2kUGT8T

— nebula should have killed thanos (@gwenstacying) November 26, 2020

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 November 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link

Gotta say, after watching The Vow, and Leah Remini's Scientology docu-series, all this Jedi talk about family attachments leading to fear/anger/the dark side reminds me a lot of cult behavior.

DJI, Monday, 30 November 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link

Given that I always thought that an unstated/understated theme of the prequels -- played out a little more in The Clone Wars -- was that the Jedi Order in specific was too wrapped up in themselves to realize what was happening, that's not far wrong!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 November 2020 23:12 (three years ago) link

that's why I loved The Last Jedi, that theme

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 November 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link

Do any of the TV shows or books get into how the Jedi initiates were taken from their parents when they were very young? How did the parents react when the Jedi showed up at the door, talking about M counts, etc.?

meditate in my direction (morrisp), Monday, 30 November 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link

"Padawan Cruise?"

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 November 2020 23:46 (three years ago) link

The Jedi just explained to the parents how important it was to Clear the galaxy.

DJI, Monday, 30 November 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link

There is an episode with a bunch of force sensitive children who have been abducted. The idea that it was the Sith taking kids is met with “well this is bad, but...” *uncomfortable silence*

mh, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link

Not to mention a certain darksider who was basically bartered away as a kid who becomes a major antagonist!

mh, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link

His Daddy Warbucks got killed within days of adoption, so...

Nhex, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link

I thought this episode was really well done but I still wasn't always into it. It doesn't help when they establish Mando (or that Jedi, for that matter) as an unstoppable badass, but then end with an extended fight with the same people who were getting their ass kicked earlier in the episode (as well done as that fight was). Also didn't help that I know nothing about the cartoons, or books, or whatever; what I've liked about every episode so far was that they have not been particularly driven by myth, let alone plot, but this one seemed to be. And Mando must be pretty tired of hopping from planet to planet being told to find someone else. I honestly forget why he's doing this at all. Was it a favor for someone?

Again, well done! Just not what I'm into or hoping this show becomes. Oh, and I didn't even recognize Michael Biehn!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 14:16 (three years ago) link

otm, i think. i don't wanna know all the lore all the time, but it's nice if it's not obviously inconsistent with the lore upon further inspection. i just don't wanna be the inspector tho. that's for people who like, finish reading the silmarilion or whatever.

i kinda like the concept that he's a cultist, and obsessed with foundlings on principle, and a bit of a nutter, and that's sorta good enough for me. i mean no one is more perseverative than a nutter with principle/s, imo. that'll move teh story.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

Why not leave baby with Ahsoka, and do a few episodes where she plays lone wolf and cub for awhile before she realizes gorguts is cramping her style and now she has to track down mando who has somehow acquired more force toddlers?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link

I did kind of roll my eyes when she was like, "Now you must go to planet Blah blah blah...". The constant planet-hopping is starting to feel a little repetitive.

meditate in my direction (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

Her saying that seemed consistent to me, the speed with which he accepted it and flew the hell outta there was sorta convenient.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

I mean...episodic TV where characters go from one place to another, with a general goal that may get modified as it goes, and in each episode they help people with their Personal Problems along the way, is not unknown! And this is a series in a franchise where harkening back to various established forms of entertainment is constant! I'm not saying anything new here, I'm just surprised there's surprise about this.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

Ned otm, I feel like we've been so spoiled by the "prestige TV era" that we've already forgotten how formulaic TV could be, for better or worse. And considering that one of A New Hope's primary influences was the early serials, this is extremely on-brand. I don't mind it, since it's been pretty built into the series from the start it doesn't feel all that lazy or out of character.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link

I get all that; it just seemed like the planet-hopping was less relentless in S1 (like he stayed on a single planet for a few eps. straight, or they mixed it up in other ways). Maybe I'm misremembering.

meditate in my direction (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link

Ned otm, I feel like we've been so spoiled by the "prestige TV era" that we've already forgotten how formulaic TV could be, for better or worse.

Also, for all the prestige TV claims for These, Our Times, worth remembering that the smash continuing series of the past two decades have been things like NCIS and SVU and etc. -- standbys, procedurals, etc.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link

All of which may sound like I'm damning The Mandalorian with faint praise but if anything it shows how readily resilient the wider franchise is when it adapts to a slightly different but (per Hunt3r's point) far from unrelated form.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link

Not so different from us driving a car place, is it?

They should have him visit Earth sometime

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link

place to place*

i mean every stop seems to be a spaceport with a bunch of barren space around it. It's just not a very efficient galaxy.

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link

I think it's not so much the constant motion as the string of characters specifically directing Mando to go to different planets; it's just a little funny. Like if every episode of Star Trek had ended with a rock-skinned or gloopy alien telling Kirk, "NOW YOU MUST GO TO... (ETC.)."

meditate in my direction (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link

I don't disagree with your point, but it's really just a galaxy sized scale up of the old, "oops, actually the treasure isn't in this chamber here, it's actually in that one over there, across the moat" stakes raising, no?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link

Right. Kirk boldly goes, Mando just goes. This is the best illustration of the difference between Trek and Wars!

xp

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

It's the Outer Rim, it's meant to be empty and inefficient -- as Elvis Telecom said about the original film, non-special edition, he especially liked Mos Eisley as it was because it seemed more like Barstow than anything else.

Less ST maybe more Battlestar Galactica reboot (which, not the best comparison on several levels). I'm starting to think about it like The Fugitive in a way, endlessly chasing down leads while being pursued by assholes.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link

All good points - I just hope the "What do I do with this kid?" storyline reaches some kind of resolution, or at least takes a long detour to mix things up.

meditate in my direction (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link

I think Mando pretty boldly goes, imo.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link

he's gathering an army. in the hour of his greatest need, all these people he's helped will appear out of nowhere to save him, just like that joe biden avengers video

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link

lol

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link


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