We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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Agree with your take on supposed vaccine crisis, dyson. I don’t think there’s much that could be done better under the circumstances.

That said, it should now be a given why having air tight supply lines for such things is kind of a big deal. People hopefully will remember these things for future and push for more proactive governance.

Kim, Thursday, 26 November 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link

Blaming Trudeau for the decline of vaccine creating capacity is sorta dumb, it happened a long while ago, when Trudeau was still a Breboeuf dweeb.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 26 November 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

Oh, Tories who do that are ridiculous, considering it was Mulroney who privatized the companies in the first place. No one (including Trudeau and Chrétien but also Harper) has done anything about it in 35 years. Maybe it doesn't matter, as flopson might be saying.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 November 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link

I missed the AOC/Jagmeet Singh Twitch stream. Anyone knows if it will be archived?

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 November 2020 05:45 (three years ago) link

There's a VOD on Twitch

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Saturday, 28 November 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link

I watched some. AOC said that she might be making Twitch a weekly thing. She wound up streaming for 6 hours just because people were donating too much money (200,000 USD by the end - I think for eviction defense and assisting undocumented people).

umarell of the year (jmm), Saturday, 28 November 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link

According to Trudeau, 50% of us will be vaccinated by next September. Not sure if that sounds good or disappointing. It feels vaguely Hunger Games-like, or like Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery." My guess is that teachers will be somewhere in that first 50%, which may or may not include me, a retired but fairly active supply teacher. That I start thinking this way is not ideal.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link

Where did he say 50%? The reports I've seen say (vaguely) "the majority", e.g. https://globalnews.ca/news/7488324/vaccine-coronavirus-trudeau-nato-fortin/

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link

I heard audio of him saying that on the news yesterday.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

Hm, he says "majority" in the clip that comes with the Global piece. 50% would be a weird goal to set or promise to make, for the reason you give.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link

I went looking for a clip, couldn't find one. I positive I heard Trudeau say this yesterday.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link

"I'm"

clemenza, Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link

Anyway, whether 50% or a majority--which probably means, I don't know, 55 or 60%; I doubt very much it means 75% and upwards--my original point still holds: I'm left wondering if I'm going to be on the right side of that. (If I weren't still supplying, I'm almost certain the answer would be no.)

clemenza, Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link

Right, I was hoping "majority" meant 70%+ or whatever the threshold is for herd immunity.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

50% isn’t half-bad (heh) when you consider that it very likely covers the vast majority of at-risk Canadians.

pomenitul, Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link

In terms of elementary schools--this is what I don't like, it gets me thinking "me, me, me"--I have to believe the thinking will be get the teachers vaccinated, and then the kids are near the end of the line.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

Jason Kenney is absolutely blunt and gets to the point: https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ax7v/jason-kenney-targets-south-asians-for-covid-says-nothing-about-anti-maskers

Listening to the actual audio from the radio program really does not make Kenney look any better: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=435088651218061&ref=watch_permalink

There's something slimy about the way he starts out patronizingly 'praising' the "beautiful, wonderful" family- and hospitality-oriented nature of South Asian communities (based on his friends in the community) before working up to announcing increased policing and fines for home gatherings, no doubt targeted towards this community that concerns him. He mostly handwaves away the host's seemingly valid point that the neighbourhood he's talking about contains a lot of frontline workers who are unable to work from home before eventually mentioning that school reopening will be delayed by a week to give kids time to recover from, uh, family gatherings over Christmas.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 06:58 (three years ago) link

I didn't realize btw that i) Alberta is taking some weird anti-federalist stand by not letting people use the federal COVID app and ii) their case numbers have gotten so much worse than Ontario's and Quebec's.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 07:02 (three years ago) link

I believe that young kids won’t be getting vaccinated at first, but it’s primarily because the vaccine for them needs to be in a slightly different format or dosage or something.

Kim, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

xp. can't help but feel that possibly conservative covid-denialists might be part of Alberta's problem

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link

more of a pressing problem than any south asian cultural issue

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link

Legault still on the fence about Xmas gatherings, says he’ll make a call on the 11th but right now forbidding them seems likeliest.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link

Also, fuck Jason Kenney.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link

fuck Jason Kenney

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

Feels weird to be doing this here, but:

If there are any other Albertans here, there’s a petition going round to allow the use of the federal app: https://www.change.org/p/tyler-shandro-minister-of-health-alberta-allow-use-of-federal-covid19-contact-tracing-app-in-alberta

And I guess another plug, if you’re on Facebook come join us at the PALbertans group for AB progressive memers.

the thing that the angry Left forbids (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 02:12 (three years ago) link

Also, fuck Jason Kenney.

the thing that the angry Left forbids (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 02:13 (three years ago) link

Legault just cancelled Xmas.

pomenitul, Thursday, 3 December 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link

That genuinely surprises me.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 December 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

at least the laicité is consistent

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 3 December 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link

My thoughts exactly.

pomenitul, Thursday, 3 December 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link

Pardon my cynicism, but the genuine surprise for me will be if we *don't* get a few stories about CAQ officials violating the ban come January.

rob, Thursday, 3 December 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link

I'm really only surprised that it was announced this early, it seemed inevitable.

I still don't understand what the decision process was to arrive at the announcement they made 2 weeks ago that groups of 10 could gather during the holidays when they clearly did not think things through. Were they really expecting the number of cases to go down during late November and December?

silverfish, Thursday, 3 December 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

Christmas non-compliance with COVID restrictions is going to massive everywhere imo

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 December 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

think every province should be making similar announcements tbh

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 December 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link

at least the laicité is consistent

This was part of what surprised me tbh.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 December 2020 19:07 (three years ago) link

London has set daily case-highs for two days running. Still very low comparatively, 40-50 range, but I suspect they're headed for the next level and that'll be it for movie theatres (which are so sparsely attended when I go--from 3 to 10 people per screening--it'd be more symbolic than anything else).

clemenza, Thursday, 3 December 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link

X-posting this from the Politics of Pornography thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada calls himself a feminist and has been proud of his government’s efforts to empower women worldwide. So a question for Trudeau and all Canadians: Why does Canada host a company that inflicts rape videos on the world?

pomenitul, Friday, 4 December 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link

That’s quite horrifying. Hard to read. The shot at Trudeau seems a little sideways though - I didn’t really see the supporting evidence in there. Is Canada a primary host or something?

Kim, Friday, 4 December 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link

it was founded in Canada, not sure if it is still owned and operated in this country

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 December 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

Pornhub was launched in Montreal and is owned by MindGeek, a Canadian company whose headquarters are also in Montreal. They're legally registered in Luxembourg, however (for obvious reasons).

pomenitul, Friday, 4 December 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link

Ahh ok thanks. Ugh.

Kim, Saturday, 5 December 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link

That said, I'm not sure what the actual mechanics would be for Trudeau to 'do something' in this case. What would be involved with regulating a site like that?

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 December 2020 02:12 (three years ago) link

Pornhub is like the main employer for former arts music scene anglos who decided to stick with it in montreal for the long term

flopson, Saturday, 5 December 2020 06:42 (three years ago) link

montreal is actually apparently a huge porn city historically. one day having a smoke outside a big industrial loft bldg on st remi i used to live in and some guys were delivering a hot tub to a porn studio on the top floor, told me all about it, it was like quebecois boogie nights

flopson, Saturday, 5 December 2020 06:45 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I have a friend who did cybersecurity or somesuch for Manwin/Mindgeek for a while.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 December 2020 13:54 (three years ago) link

Today: 2031 cases, 48 deaths in Quebec. Part of it is due to playing catch-up with data, but those are some horrible numbers nonetheless.

pomenitul, Saturday, 5 December 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link

Short of closing schools and further encouraging WFH, I have no idea what can be done to stem the tide at this point.

pomenitul, Saturday, 5 December 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link


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