But Will There Be Corgis? Thread Where We Discuss Netflix's THE CROWN

anderson's thatcher is great. the harshness and fragility, the self-consciousness that hides behind self-righteousness, this is not just a performance of a human being but a whole economic and moral outlook. she's playing thatcherism.

Few things are more cringeworthy than Americans talking about Thatcher.

jesus wept!

I'm sure we talk utter shite about US politics and political figures tbf.

No we do not.

Jed otm, this is on my inattentive viewing of the EPs up to Fagen, but the performances are not the thing I'd concentrate too much on. I really love how -- while trying to account for it -- trolly it is about that period and the figures it's looking at.

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true but I think that was some seriously bad yellow-smartie inspired hyperbolic claptrap there! But I will try and be more thoughtful next time I post about Biden shitting into his nappy whilst absent-mindedly signing off on drone-strikes on bairns!

I have an OFFICIAL: THATCHER QUITS Evening Standard newsstand poster framed and hung over the sofa (and I did my undergrad dissertation on Thatcherism, which was the writing sample that got me on the NME).

American though, so I guess none of this counts?

The exception that proves the rule. Whatever that means.

Lol just watched the Charles and Di interview that veg linked and "calls to Australia" bit is just such a laugh. They are really playing.

my sister also has one of those posters :)

_anderson's thatcher is great. the harshness and fragility, the self-consciousness that hides behind self-righteousness, this is not just a performance of a human being but a whole economic and moral outlook. she's playing thatcherism._

Few things are more cringeworthy than Americans talking about Thatcher.

emma corrin's diana also incredible. very understated, really.

― treeship., Tuesday, 24 November 2020 bookmarkflaglink

understated?!?! Twitter picked the weird lack of control of the facial expressions and ran with it. Corrin is the one who is really throwing lots of stuff to see what sticks, I reckon..

(4/4) And while we’ve enjoyed your creative license, Hawke did not call the Queen a pig on our show and say, "You wouldn't put a pig in charge of a herd of prime beef cattle, even if it does look good in twin set and pearls." Here's what he really said. Thnx again @netflix! pic.twitter.com/0JY8sEOB5C

— 4corners (@4corners) November 25, 2020

this made me lol esp the sloooooow curtsy

#MargaretThatcher in private audience with the #Queen pic.twitter.com/EMPRgfBWod

— Adele Dazeem (@lisabexperience) November 23, 2020

was thinking there was no jimmy savile in S4, he was a regular dinner guest at Buckingham Palace during the 80's

:/

already tripped their nonce quotient w/dickie, andrew and chuck

ok wtf does s5 drop

if it has Dominic West in it I won't be impressed. Even though he wouldn't be playing against type at least - but I absolutely despise him as an actor - I just find him unpleasantly unwatchable and almost completely talentless.

so he’s a bullseye for Chuck then lol

well there is that angle of him playing Charles I guess yeah!

lol what was I thinking of, he's born for the role!

tbh i want another two seasons of josh o'connor shrinking self-disgustedly even further into his own shoulders

his physicality as Charles is so great
like an invisible hand just pushing him down & crushing him at all times

I think they should stick with him he's very good. lol I keep thinking back to that nauseating scene where he + camilla are doing the bear joke and finishing off each others lines - it's horrible but it definitely captures something.

otm

We're on episode 4, and so far I've liked all of the acting and directing. Looks great, which does, yeah, help disguise how on the nose so much of it often is. Like (I'm making this up), the Queen will say out loud "what kind of a monster doesn't love her children equally?" and then cut to Thatcher saying "I don't love my children equally" and then later there will be a scene with the Queen and Prince Philip and Philip will say something like 'it's not a monster who does not love their children equally, it is a monster who even humors the possibility," and the Queen will look shaken and upset, and then back to Thatcher who intones "decisiveness should be one's primary trait, it is a show of strength" and then someone will say "Prime Minister, they are angry in the Falklands," and she will say "So send in the navy!" And someone will say "But Prime Minister, people already hate you, won't this make them hate you more?" And she'll respond "what kind of monster yearns to be loved?" And then they'll cut to a wounded deer limping around and someone will say "what a beautiful tragedy moving in slow motion," and then they'll cut to Diana, with her head bowed, walking slowly against a tide of paparazzi flashing their cameras in her face. And so on.

I think it's partly because, thanks to the actors, this story could probably be told through a series of forlorn faces, but they have to fill the silence some how. The dialogue often ends up ... not bad, but not always necessary, in a banal sort of soap opera way. Which it is, of course, but the technical pedigree is otherwise significantly greater.

Btw, every time I see Diana I think of Anthony Edwards' impression on SNL

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lmao

That...doesn't look promising, sorry.

Have seen the Aus episode now. They didnt even TRY to make it look like australia. The scene where charles and Hawke are standing on what I assume was the portico of the Lodge (the PMs Canberra home) was hilarious: sounds of trilling tropical birds and insects, palm fronds waving, some kind of hilly slopes to a SEA in the background.

Canberra's an inland temperate dry and cold place full of gum trees and a lake.

Shot of brisbane was very clearly somewhere like Barcelona or who the fuck knows. Shot of the sheep station had bizrre looking hills you'd only see in the Americas.

And as sic pointed out above Hawke never said any of those nasty things about dressing up a pig on the 4 Corners interview. And that show is a serious current affairs show - it doesnt have an audience!

It was hilarious. Still enjoyed it though. Roxborough is a tresh.

Canberra's an inland temperate dry and cold place full of gum trees and a lake.

A fake lake!

Thats right! Its only been there since the 30s I think?

There was a short-lived new national newspaper in the UK in the mid-80s called Today, which is referred to about half a dozen times in one episode, always as "the Today newspaper", presumably bcs Peter Morgan thinks no-one will remember or understand. "Hev you seen these stories in the Today newspaper?" "There's a reporter from the Today newspaper on the phone".

I remember that paper lol, Alastair Campbell was the chief political writer.

I just assumed they wanted to make sure American viewers didn't think it was the Today show.

I remember it being in the break room of the shop I was working in, summer of ‘89.

I remember that paper lol, Alastair Campbell was the chief political writer.

Eddie Shah wasn't it?

The alleged paedo connection continues.

I think so, was the gimmick that paper was all in colour? I mean wow this kind of wild technological advance must have been very impressive in the late 80s. But maybe I'm remembering that bit wrong!

Just thinking of some paedo lyrics to the tune of rock the casbah!

In the early 1990s the newspaper printed a column attacking the city of Liverpool and its inhabitants which was accompanied by a photograph showing a large rubbish tip directly behind the city's iconic Liver Building.[citation needed] In reality, no such rubbish tip existed anywhere in the vicinity of the Liver Building; it subsequently emerged that the photograph was a fake created from a composite of images of the buildings and a rubbish tip that was not in Liverpool, although the photograph's caption implied that the image illustrated the supposed poor upkeep of the city.

it was a very classy newspaper or should that be class-war?

I just assumed they wanted to make sure American viewers didn't think it was the Today show.

Fair enough, but why not avoid confusion by saying eg "the Daily Express"?

Oliver Dowden, the UK secretary of state for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, told the Daily Mail on Saturday that he plans to request that Netflix add a disclaimer before every episode of "The Crown" saying that it's a work of fiction.

here was me thinking they could have gone much harder and featured even more unflattering portrayals of these horrible fuckers and maybe even put in a laugh track when Dickie gets blown up. But these tories think this was an absolute hatchet job!

They should give it a facetious disclaimer, like the one before "Fargo."

“These people were terrible irl also this show is fictionalized”

Plot twist: at the end Lilibet wakes up, ten years old. It was all a dream.

he used to read Town & Country magazine

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We really enjoyed the two most recent ones we've seen, the one about Margaret and the one about South Africa. Though the show does still suffer a bit from on-the-noseness (which I suppose is to be expected), and also the same gauzy, uncanny valley color correction choices that every TV drama currently seems to make.