But Will There Be Corgis? Thread Where We Discuss Netflix's THE CROWN

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Morgan gives one writer one co-write credit on one episode out of ten; I'm gonna assume that that is his style after all.

huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 08:40 (three years ago) link

def not sure how i feel abt Gillian Anderson's portrayal of Maggie, i think is great but somehow does not fit but maybe id the point - was fascinating to watch tho - someone (here, elswhere?) said it made them think of a drag queen's version which yes, but, yeah i can't pin down how i feel abt it

did appreciate some of the music endings, Linton Kwesi Johnson'd Inglan' Is a Bitch, The (English) Beat, Stand Down Margaret. Even made me remember for first time in decades the Exploited Let's Start a War (Said Maggie One Day)

So assume Charles & Camilla must be unhappy with the new season as getting attacked by fans of the show anew https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adeonibada/season-the-crown-trolling-camilla-prince-charles?ref=bfnsplash

seeing Dominic West is being mentioned as Charles for next two seasons which makes no sense to me

H in Addis, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link

Charles comes across as a massive prick throughout, I’d be raging if I was him.

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

Prince Edward's "that was impressively cunty" was probably my favorite line delivery of the season so far.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link

The problem with Anderson is that her's is more of an impression than a performance, there's no air in it. O'Conner's performance of Charles suffers similarly but not to the same extent. They both solely use a particular strained register that both Maggie and Charlie do have but they don't only speak and move in that register, as you can see from the C&D interview just posted. It's near impossible to flesh a character out tho given the either didactic or purely expositional dialogue.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link

hers, damn.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link

Prince Edward's "that was impressively cunty" was probably my favorite line delivery of the season so far.

Hilarious, and felt deeply true somehow.

I'd deleted season 1 after watching 10 minutes and could not see myself watching a full season of the royals, then a friend begged me to find season 2 for her so, bored started watching it, went back to 1, and been watching avidly ever since tho still surprised.

H in Addis, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

yeah it’s weird, prior to this show existing I never would have pictured myself being SUPER into this show

i think the way it handles history + people, plus the ongoing exploration of “the crown” as concept & as impediment to anyone behaving remotely like a human

has a lot of unexpected layers that i am v much enjoying

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link

O'Connor has had many wonderful moments; his performance has grown on me. That moment at the window when Elizabeth lectures him on his duties (the two arranged as if in a Bergman film), he turns to her with moist eyes, and Colman's chipper spirit for a fraction of a moment dissolves in the face of this suffering -- classic.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link

anderson's thatcher is great. the harshness and fragility, the self-consciousness that hides behind self-righteousness, this is not just a performance of a human being but a whole economic and moral outlook. she's playing thatcherism.

Few things are more cringeworthy than Americans talking about Thatcher.

Naughty Boys Hoo! (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link

jesus wept!

calzino, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link

I'm sure we talk utter shite about US politics and political figures tbf.

Naughty Boys Hoo! (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link

No we do not.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link

Jed otm, this is on my inattentive viewing of the EPs up to Fagen, but the performances are not the thing I'd concentrate too much on. I really love how -- while trying to account for it -- trolly it is about that period and the figures it's looking at.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link

xxp
true but I think that was some seriously bad yellow-smartie inspired hyperbolic claptrap there! But I will try and be more thoughtful next time I post about Biden shitting into his nappy whilst absent-mindedly signing off on drone-strikes on bairns!

calzino, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

I have an OFFICIAL: THATCHER QUITS Evening Standard newsstand poster framed and hung over the sofa (and I did my undergrad dissertation on Thatcherism, which was the writing sample that got me on the NME).

American though, so I guess none of this counts?

scampopo (suzy), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link

The exception that proves the rule. Whatever that means.

Naughty Boys Hoo! (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link

Lol just watched the Charles and Di interview that veg linked and "calls to Australia" bit is just such a laugh. They are really playing.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

my sister also has one of those posters :)

mark s, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

_anderson's thatcher is great. the harshness and fragility, the self-consciousness that hides behind self-righteousness, this is not just a performance of a human being but a whole economic and moral outlook. she's playing thatcherism._

Few things are more cringeworthy than Americans talking about Thatcher.


Yes, I’ve noticed.

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

emma corrin's diana also incredible. very understated, really.

― treeship., Tuesday, 24 November 2020 bookmarkflaglink

understated?!?! Twitter picked the weird lack of control of the facial expressions and ran with it. Corrin is the one who is really throwing lots of stuff to see what sticks, I reckon..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link

(4/4) And while we’ve enjoyed your creative license, Hawke did not call the Queen a pig on our show and say, "You wouldn't put a pig in charge of a herd of prime beef cattle, even if it does look good in twin set and pearls." Here's what he really said. Thnx again @netflix! pic.twitter.com/0JY8sEOB5C

— 4corners (@4corners) November 25, 2020

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link

this made me lol esp the sloooooow curtsy

#MargaretThatcher in private audience with the #Queen pic.twitter.com/EMPRgfBWod

— Adele Dazeem (@lisabexperience) November 23, 2020

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

was thinking there was no jimmy savile in S4, he was a regular dinner guest at Buckingham Palace during the 80's

calzino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link

:/

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

already tripped their nonce quotient w/dickie, andrew and chuck

reggae kraftwerk (||||||||), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

ok wtf does s5 drop

mark s, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link

if it has Dominic West in it I won't be impressed. Even though he wouldn't be playing against type at least - but I absolutely despise him as an actor - I just find him unpleasantly unwatchable and almost completely talentless.

calzino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:26 (three years ago) link

so he’s a bullseye for Chuck then lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:39 (three years ago) link

well there is that angle of him playing Charles I guess yeah!

calzino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link

lol what was I thinking of, he's born for the role!

calzino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link

tbh i want another two seasons of josh o'connor shrinking self-disgustedly even further into his own shoulders

mark s, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link

his physicality as Charles is so great
like an invisible hand just pushing him down & crushing him at all times

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

I think they should stick with him he's very good. lol I keep thinking back to that nauseating scene where he + camilla are doing the bear joke and finishing off each others lines - it's horrible but it definitely captures something.

calzino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link

We're on episode 4, and so far I've liked all of the acting and directing. Looks great, which does, yeah, help disguise how on the nose so much of it often is. Like (I'm making this up), the Queen will say out loud "what kind of a monster doesn't love her children equally?" and then cut to Thatcher saying "I don't love my children equally" and then later there will be a scene with the Queen and Prince Philip and Philip will say something like 'it's not a monster who does not love their children equally, it is a monster who even humors the possibility," and the Queen will look shaken and upset, and then back to Thatcher who intones "decisiveness should be one's primary trait, it is a show of strength" and then someone will say "Prime Minister, they are angry in the Falklands," and she will say "So send in the navy!" And someone will say "But Prime Minister, people already hate you, won't this make them hate you more?" And she'll respond "what kind of monster yearns to be loved?" And then they'll cut to a wounded deer limping around and someone will say "what a beautiful tragedy moving in slow motion," and then they'll cut to Diana, with her head bowed, walking slowly against a tide of paparazzi flashing their cameras in her face. And so on.

I think it's partly because, thanks to the actors, this story could probably be told through a series of forlorn faces, but they have to fill the silence some how. The dialogue often ends up ... not bad, but not always necessary, in a banal sort of soap opera way. Which it is, of course, but the technical pedigree is otherwise significantly greater.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 November 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

Btw, every time I see Diana I think of Anthony Edwards' impression on SNL

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NVi7CZFWNTs/Wsed2ujW9SI/AAAAAAAAMm0/kPqcPAMqBDoWQNPntwn8l-XHPH_da6M1ACLcBGAs/s1600/turning%2Bpoint.JPG

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 November 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link

lmao

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 November 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link

That...doesn't look promising, sorry.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 November 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link

Have seen the Aus episode now. They didnt even TRY to make it look like australia. The scene where charles and Hawke are standing on what I assume was the portico of the Lodge (the PMs Canberra home) was hilarious: sounds of trilling tropical birds and insects, palm fronds waving, some kind of hilly slopes to a SEA in the background.

Canberra's an inland temperate dry and cold place full of gum trees and a lake.

Shot of brisbane was very clearly somewhere like Barcelona or who the fuck knows. Shot of the sheep station had bizrre looking hills you'd only see in the Americas.

And as sic pointed out above Hawke never said any of those nasty things about dressing up a pig on the 4 Corners interview. And that show is a serious current affairs show - it doesnt have an audience!

It was hilarious. Still enjoyed it though. Roxborough is a tresh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 28 November 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link

Canberra's an inland temperate dry and cold place full of gum trees and a lake.

A fake lake!

huge rant (sic), Saturday, 28 November 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link

Thats right! Its only been there since the 30s I think?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 28 November 2020 23:33 (three years ago) link

There was a short-lived new national newspaper in the UK in the mid-80s called Today, which is referred to about half a dozen times in one episode, always as "the Today newspaper", presumably bcs Peter Morgan thinks no-one will remember or understand. "Hev you seen these stories in the Today newspaper?" "There's a reporter from the Today newspaper on the phone".

mahb, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link

I remember that paper lol, Alastair Campbell was the chief political writer.

calzino, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link

I just assumed they wanted to make sure American viewers didn't think it was the Today show.

trishyb, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:32 (three years ago) link

I remember it being in the break room of the shop I was working in, summer of ‘89.

scampopo (suzy), Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link

I remember that paper lol, Alastair Campbell was the chief political writer.

Eddie Shah wasn't it?

ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link

The alleged paedo connection continues.

ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link

I think so, was the gimmick that paper was all in colour? I mean wow this kind of wild technological advance must have been very impressive in the late 80s. But maybe I'm remembering that bit wrong!

calzino, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:44 (three years ago) link

Just thinking of some paedo lyrics to the tune of rock the casbah!

calzino, Sunday, 29 November 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link


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