Kylie Minogue: Classic or Dud?

I doubt they actually read the review.

I'm so sorry this happened katherine. I can assure you that you did nothing wrong and the people attacking you are completely out of bounds.

It’s worth remembering that even if you do everything right, some internet rando will still senselessly hate you for it. There’s no such thing as being universally liked, and that’s ok (this is what stans refuse to accept btw). Anyway, Kylie’s music has never been my cup of tea but that was a good and informative review.

have listened to the podcast (1st time ever), they mention nothing but the rating itself... I assume @katherine you are a serious pop music critic, while this podcast is some pulp, immediate blah blah blah content to listen to when jogging or cleaning, so honestly - even if one can find it amusing - this is like apples & oranges. hence do ignore this shit and keep up the good work!

and getting back to the review itself - i agree with sooo many points and arguments of katherine's review, but this won't change the fact that I'm spinning this record to death and yes, on paper it could be (and potentially is) 'worse' than roisin, jessie or dua, but its only kylie who can pull off a song with such a corny intro as supernova, making me tremble with embarrassment at the beginning, and then hijack with her delivery or chorus that im singing while writing now and leaving me breathless in the end. just like any great party that I came late to, i.e. everybody is drunk already, im thinking: what is wrong with these awful people?! and in 30 mins im sweating with the rest on the dance floor.
(plus some of these songs like 'real groove' are objectively a-mah-zing!)

this struck me during the Folklore fiasco but pop stans getting mad at pitchfork reviews will never not be mindboggling to me. and they get mad when pitchfork doesn't review their faves' records too! there's no pleasing them.

like, your faves will do just fine without p4k's validation, guys. 

I’m surprised to learn that Kylie even has these sort of stans. I wasn’t aware she had that sort of rep.

Same.

fever is one of the greatest pop albums of all time, of course she is going to have the same cult of stans as every other pop star, even if 'cult' needs to be emphasised a little more for her than some

Fever came out 19 years ago, and the new audience it brought in was, speaking broadly, gay American males (compared to her previous moderately-gay-male-leaning UK and .au general public). It seems counterintuitive that a feverish hate-mail writing stan culture is made up of 40-something blokes.

there are plenty of younger, mostly gay male, fans who make up those stans because she's really that much of an icon. it was only 2010 that she really last had hits in the uk and australia. madonna still has stans! it doesn't seem that weird as far as stan culture goes to me.

I also thought most of her stans would be gay which is why I was surprised to see one of the ones tweeting at katherine has also tweeted homophobic slurs and has a link to a "reparative therapy" site on their profile (possibly another Briscoe Cain type I guess)

One of my teenage students asked me if I had heard her latest album. I guess she's still picking up fans

I actually had the "don't worry, I don't think she has stans, you'll be fine" / "yes, she does" argument before it went up (not with an editor)

It seems counterintuitive that a feverish hate-mail writing stan culture is made up of 40-something blokes.

can i introduce you to "men"

like... have you never been on reddit

actually it's about ethics in disco revisionism journalism

I'm coming around to this album a little bit. It does sound pretty same-y along with the other recent releases listed above (Horse Meat Disco, Dua Lipa, etc). A lot of different acts that used to sound different seem to have converged to this style.

my experience of going on reddit is: aspie-adjacent podcast listeners politely apologising to each other if anyone misunderstands someone else & downvoting sexism; and Am I The Asshole? readers telling people that they absolutely are the asshole, and they don't deserve their girlfriends, mothers' love, or to have a cat.

can i introduce you to "men"

point absolutely taken on my wording. but in my head, the sort of stans who brigade with hate mail were primarily teens-to-22ish with the combo of too much energy, and insecurity. 44-year-old gay men who loved Kylie when they were 12 or 25 have had plenty of experience of her putting out 6/10 albums with a few generous 8/10 tracks in the five calendar decades that she's had UK #1s!

gonna have to repeat Maura's "like... have you never been on reddit" here

You guys talk like going on Reddit is something that healthy-minded people do. Been on Parler lately?

a good number of people on this site go on RYM, which is basically /mu/

All ILXors should sign an exclusive contract that forbids you from visiting other websites.

There's other websites?

So they say, and they’re *bad*.

i thought this was google

gonna have to repeat Maura's "like... have you never been on reddit" here

my answer will remain the same as in the post you're replaying to!

okay I looked at the Kylie reddit and the top threads are:

- Hi fellow kylie lovelies - I am loving Disco Tv on YouTube and thought you all might like it too - it’s a wonderful mix of all of Miss Minogue’s fabulous videos (including lyric videos for the Disco album) has really cheered me up and hope it makes someone else smile 🥰

- When she was on the Voice (photo)

- Kylie Minogue Breaks Down 17 Looks From 1988 to Now | Life in Looks | Vogue (youtube link, 1 reply)

- Disco debuts at 25 on the Billboard 200, her highest-charting U.S. album since Aphrodite (5 replies wishing she would tour)

- Kylie Minogue - Blame It On The Boogie [Mike Walsh Show 1987] (youtube link, no replies)

- Spotted in Sydney this morning (photo of a flyposter, 5 replies asking where the cassette is sold)



not an argument against there being absolutely horrible subreddits elsewhere but this is even less enthusiasm than I'd have expected, let alone any negativity

*tips fedora at maura*

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

Do Gaga fans go HAM over mixed reviews? I think of the Little Monsters as peaceful.

this critically-acclaimed nu disco thing reminds me of griselda

endless RIYL slots enabled by genre specific playlisting

members of all 'stanbases' are fully capable of stooping to horrific lows, and indeed do so somewhat regularly. while yes the contingent overall skews gay, male and young, plenty of these folks are supposedly grown up too! pretty horrifying

I don't see why people are surprised grownups can do this, has anyone ever met a republican, or one of the adults who sneers at people online for morally neutral things they find embarrassing

basically, have you ever met a human being

I can honestly say I’ve never known anyone IRL whom I thought had the capacity to launch personal attacks at a writer over a music review.

pretty sure critics are real and daft and mean

also i dunno what's the problem are you worreid the world will misevaluate a Kylie record>?

also lol keeping a score keeping a score

I can honestly say I’ve never known anyone IRL whom I thought had the capacity to launch personal attacks at a writer over a music review.

― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Saturday, November 21, 2020 7:45 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no offense but you're on this board, so you do

maybe that doesn't qualify as IRL but there are many people here who have personally attacked me over my opinions about bands or my "insane" way of listening to music

I might say Noodle Vague is insane for laboriously relistening to alternate mixes so many times that it's slightly dragging out the results of the MC Tunes poll, but it's just out of admiration for his process

this was specifically saying that my preferring to not listen to music that makes me feel bad is an "insane" way of listening

what kind of music makes you feel bad?

generally it involves lyric

as in the lyrics make you feel bad because they're offensive?

I think this album is good and I'm sorry people are terrible, it's just a review. :(

PS Supernova is def the best track here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYLeTJEvWY
Kylie ft. Dua Lipa, Róisín Murphy & Jessie Ware - Real Groove (Studio 2054 Remix)

well, not quite, but still...

Lol. I like this but it needs a better chorus

she's re-releasing Disco with new tracks, most notably "Kiss of Life" with Jessie Ware