Taylor Swift - Folklore

the idea that scooter braun should be spared the wrath of stans is really funny to me.

and the Big Machine staffers who got a fun “day off”? and the Pitchfork writer who received death threats that were reported in the press, but never (please correct me if I’m wrong, I would like to be wrong here) addressed by Taylor (whereas other artists speak out & cool down their stanbase when it comes even to more standard-issue hashtag campaigning and online harassment)?

I’m a fan of her music, but her willingness to weaponize stans and overlook or even encourage the perception of real-life danger – especially after experiencing such threats herself – makes me think she is not a cool person. (The Soros boogeyman stuff was pretty weird too, tbh)

any cursory following of her well publicized battles w/ apple & spotify would tell you that she's been more vocal about the relationship between artists and streaming services than any other artist of her stature that i can think of. she fought apple when it started apple music w/ a free trial that affected royalty payments to artists, and kept her music off of spotify for three years over essentially their entire business model.

Happy to see any articles from other less powerful artists who have come out and said that the actions of Taylor Swift have made an actual material impact on the amount of control they have over their music, or over the amount of money that they earn.

when taylor turns one third of the USA into a socialist utopia triggercut is gonna have some real egg on their face.

Way to move the goalpost there

Anyway did folklore come out in July? Feels like two years ago

Must be nice having such a good faith in capitalists to believe that any of this was about anything but the amount of money she herself stood to earn.

Happy to see any articles from other less powerful artists who have come out and said that the actions of Taylor Swift have made an actual material impact on the amount of control they have over their music, or over the amount of money that they earn.

― triggercut, Monday, November 16, 2020 9:52 PM (four minutes ago)

look, i'm just having the argument on your terms -- you asked for her to advocate for other artists with less power than her, and i pointed out that there have been several very well publicized instances of her using her platform to do this. again, try doing some reading. your standard of taylor swift "having made an actual material impact on the amount of control" artists have over their music, or the amount of money they earn, shows an extreme naivety about the entire nature of the music industry, or a desire to argue disingenuously on a subject on which you claim to not be taking any sides. i guess we can continue to try and find out which it is.

J0rdan give a link instead of saying "try doing some reading"! I'm interested but no I'm not going to google on your behalf

Also

she's been more vocal about the relationship between artists and streaming services than any other artist of her stature that i can think of.

In 2015, Project Panther (which is controlled and owned by Jay-Z) bought Aspiro (the developers of Tidal) for $56m. (Tidal continues to pay their artists 4x per play what Spotify pays.)

But yeah I can feel your eyes rolling as I'm typing this

ok, a point for jay z. i forgot about tidal.

here's a news article in the guardian about how she wrote a blog post directed at apple over their decision to not pay royalties during their initial free trial period, siding w/ indie labels such as beggars, and got them to reverse the decision

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/22/apple-music-royalties-free-trial-taylor-swift

and look, apple still pays shit royalties and taylor swift does commercials for them. i'm not painting her as a hero. she's a populist and a capitalist at heart -- i wrote a whole long article on this subject myself.

https://www.spin.com/featured/taylor-swift-pop-music-me-essay/

but to say she doesn't use her platform to advocate for artists w/ less power than her isn't true. and from there i would consider who has the power here -- the three label corporations and two streaming services that currently control how we consume basically the entirety of music, or one taylor swift.

And fair point abt the free trial session re: Apple. I wonder how much that concession cost Apple! probably a lot, tbh

In this situation, Swift has more and less power than we'd think-- she definitely has "more" power in the ruination of an indie label (Big Machine) or an individual (Scooter Braun) with her capacity to activate her fanbase. She has "less" power with regards to her own career than we'd think-- she, too, has to negotiate contracts and will find her creations bought and sold by individuals she'd prefer not to buy and/or sell her work. Considering that a "constructive" solution to The Streaming Problem (TIDAL) failed, I'd be interested to see what kind of "destructive" solution Taylor might come up with re: Spotify. Seriously! Couldn't she sic her fans on Daniel Ek? That's be great

she is very devoted to the idea of her music reaching as many impressionable souls as possible -- this was her explicit reasoning for writing "me," which is a terrible song. i wonder if she would truly want to shatter the DSP system when it's how so many of her fans access her music -- she already caved on this subject once by going back to spotify after her three year hiatus. on the one hand there's the obvious fact that being on streaming makes her more money, but in terms of the overall slice of the taylor swift income pie i would imagine it's pretty small. i feel like she basically already tried the protest, and it didn't really matter bcuz no other artists joined her, and she decided she would rather ppl be able to listen to her music there than not. this is where the power dynamics come into play... what can one person even of her stature actually do, and who is she actually hurting? i think in the case of the spotify boycott she eventually reasoned her fans were losing out more so than spotify. and then to what extent are her decisions driven by her desire to be accessible to her fans vs her desire to make money. it's all very debatable but i do feel like she has tried to hash it out in a public fashion in a way that a large number of her peers are not

That's very reminiscent of Pearl Jam v. Ticketmaster. They tried, no one really had their back, and in the end they decided better to do the best they could from the belly of the beast. Which they more or less have.

She signed the fucking contract. This whining from a billionaire singer is fucking ridiculous. She got fame and fortune out of her contract and now she wants more. Fuck that.

She was 15 when she signed the contract!

Sure, she signed it alone without lawyers there explaining what it meant? Was she also a millionaire at 15 or did she have to wait to 16 before she banked her first million? She got what she wanted out of the contract. In related news, my mortgage company expects me to keep paying them money all because i signed some fucking papers. It's SO UNFAIR.

Good to see this thread revealing all of the predatory corporation bootlickers.

No one should be held to something for the rest of their lives that they signed at 15.

Sure, she signed it alone without lawyers there explaining what it meant? Was she also a millionaire at 15 or did she have to wait to 16 before she banked her first million? She got what she wanted out of the contract. In related news, my mortgage company expects me to keep paying them money all because i signed some fucking papers. It's SO UNFAIR.

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:53 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago)

psychotic posts

that is a post from everyone's conservative cousin about student loan forgiveness.

yeah I totally get giving the kids of a financial-sector goons the side-eye but that seems like a bit much even to me

Huzzah

Well it’s 11/24 and 24-11=13 so I’ve got an announcement 🤓 You haven’t seen this film before ✨ folklore: the long pond studio sessions will be out tonight at midnight PST on @DisneyPlus! #folkloreOnDisneyPlus pic.twitter.com/BTWSRM0yaI

— Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) November 24, 2020

That was.. really great. Album is a beautiful fit for a filmed studio session.

ugh i need to see this, currently asking all of my friends for a disney plus login

yeah this was fucking amazing. "epiphany" suddenly my favorite song

Quite good indeed. Rather liked “Mirrorball.”

yeah the version of "epiphany" on this is a highlight

Haven't had a chance to watch the film yet, but listening to the Long Pond Studio Sessions today and am quite impressed with what they were able to do with so little. It's a lovely, clear, intimate performance that reminds me of "unplugged" live recordings.

Looking forward to watching this with my family, but I must admit I raised an eyebrow at her dramatic make-under of not-straight hair and flannel. Reminded me of one of those political ads (or mock political ads) of some typically dark-suited dude in a red flannel shirt out in the snow chopping logs for votes.

"epiphany" is gorgeous

I thought this was really good, though I'm only about 2/3rds of the way through so far. As Ned says, "Mirroball" was a highlight too.

xxp probably better to not invite over a makeup/hair team over just to make herself more fuckable during a pandemic

sorry that was harsh, I should have left it at "who fucking cares"

More like the more relaxed look is much more suited to this album's vibe and themes.

Probably also a corrective to the years she spent trying to meet media/fashion industry standards for "perfect" and very feminine clothes/hair/makeup every time she left the house.

Good point as well! That was the part from her documentary that really stuck with me.

Listening to the Studio Sessions tracks now -- I agree, they're really nice. (She also doesn't sound like she's singing "toilet" on "Mirrorball," which is a plus.)

What I found so striking about this is how hyper-literate and rational Taylor is in describing her own songs. It’s all very “I started with this fundamental premise which grew out of this aspect of the arrangement, and I embellished it by connecting it with this other idea over here, which is explored more fully in this other song...” It’s like you’re reading a Wikipedia or Genius entry.

yeah, it was funny to see the contrast between the internet's fantastical readings of i.e. "betty" as an autobiographical admission of lesbian love and taylor's explanation of "well joe had written this entire chorus, and i thought it was really good, and i also realized i'd never sung a song from a man's POV apologizing to a woman, it's always the woman asking a man for an apology, so i thought it would be interesting to include that in my discography." she alludes to the autobiographical nature of some of the songs (mostly as it pertains to scooter braun or kanye) but so much of her songwriting process seems to be wrapped up in either subverting or bolstering her entire previous history as a songwriter. every song is a puzzle piece in the context of her full discography which sounds exhausting but is sort of clarifying.

that said i wish to forget the whole discussion about how celebrities are like disco balls

Haha yeah I found that part unhelpful too.

I think it’s astute to connect “Mirrorball” with “This Is Me Trying”, but it goes beyond the idea of “trying”, or perhaps rather that idea is bigger than it seems. Both songs are profiles of the same personality type - the person who is motivated by the need to be things for others, to give them what they want, who perhaps isn’t sure if they have a genuine real persona just for themselves - but from different vantages, with the latter focusing on the limitations of that persona and the former on how its successes can conceal the limitations.

The mirrorball metaphor is or should be about more than celebrity culture: the key point is that mirrorballs only reflect and retract light from another source. “I’ll show you every version of yourself tonight” - because I don’t have a “myself” to show; the glittery surface is also the core.

But the literal details of how all that manifests in Taylor’s life - as a celebrity who goes on tour - are the least interesting part of that frame - and only serve to make the frame seem less empathetic than it is.

I love the vulnerability in the Mirrorball lyric, the part about "I've never been a natural/all I do is try, try, try." Maybe a little more revealing than Taylor is comfortable talking about?

yeah the more literal that explanation gets the more limiting the song feels

i did like her explanation of “peace” tho which is a branch off the same tree. but for me there’s also something more deeply felt about that production and vocal performance compared to “mirrorball” that makes it more easily transcend her specific context for it

I had some thoughts:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/covid-coping-44462404

Ned, the Laid analogy is unexpected and apt.

lol now I'm imagining a Swift album produced by Eno.

quite easy!

I'd be down, of course. It might be like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9FW1N2FR_w

I’m imagining one produced by Albini.

I bet a Swift alone with piano or guitar album produced by Albini would sound great.

Better than a Shellac album produced by Eno.

I'm imagining Taylor Swift producing The National.