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― lag∞n, Monday, 16 November 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
the vets that charlotte has acquired are like... nic batum, marvin williams, al jefferson, stephen jackson. aka guys who are not even half the player chris paul is
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 November 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
the player in this trade most similar to players previously acquired by the hornets is ricky rubio -- a low ceiling vet they had to overpay in order to acquire -- and i think it's good that they got rid of him, unlike certain posters in this thread, such as matt
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 November 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
the west is going to be even tougher next year and if the suns dont start making serious noise booker will probably just walk when his contract is up. they dont have another two years to wait for oubre to become productive
― micah, Monday, 16 November 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link
Wait for Oubre to become productive???? He averaged literally twice the points of their other 2 wings... and he's the same age as both of em despite being drafted like half a decade earlier lol. I'm no Suns fan, so if more dilligent followers of the team who watch them regularly are convinced Bridges and Cam Johnson are the future I won't necessarily disagree... but the idea that Oubre ins't productive or a positive player going forward, compared to the 2 24 year old rookie/sophmore wings that averaged like 8/4/1? Anyone drawing those kinda conclusions about their team's future based off the bubble performance are taking a massive gamble IMO.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Monday, 16 November 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
well bridges is generally thought to be one of the best young defensive wings in the league. johnson isn’t as good as oubre but is generally providing the same skill set on a rookie deal as opposed to oubre’s $15 million expiring contract. they also have cap space to add more wing help if they need (ppl have mentioned gallo there), plus the no. 10 pick. you usually have to give something up to get something in a trade and the loss of oubre should be easily survivable for them
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 November 2020 22:07 (three years ago) link
seems like the sixers should make this happen
James Harden has the Nets and Sixers as his top trade destinations, per @ShamsCharania Harden "wants to be on a contender elsewhere." pic.twitter.com/AGDOmh97WB— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) November 16, 2020
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 November 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link
unlike certain posters in this thread, such as matt
we needed some trades to spice this place up again baby!
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 November 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link
Yeah, Sixers aren't going to do anything without Harden, may not do anything with him, but I'm all for maximum drama at this point.
― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
j0rdan and spottie otm
― discourse stu (m bison), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link
It seems like simmons for harden is very workable and makes a lot of sense?
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
100% tho philly would need to throw in another salary. harden+gordon for simmons+horford matches almost perfectly
― discourse stu (m bison), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 02:14 (three years ago) link
tho houston has gotta immediately trade westbrook if they do that.
― discourse stu (m bison), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:29 (three years ago) link
houston trying to replenish the picks cupboard
― discourse stu (m bison), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:30 (three years ago) link
Bucks sending Eric Bledsoe and George Hill and draft compensation to New Orleans, sources said. https://t.co/3K12F8WGI9— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 17, 2020
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link
wow thats a good trade for the bucks
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:33 (three years ago) link
i'm very curious what the draft compensation is
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link
gotta be at least 2 1RPs
― discourse stu (m bison), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link
thats really all new orleans cld get? how many picks in there
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link
txp hat's what i'm thinking, maybe the pels went for first rounders several years out
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:36 (three years ago) link
wow awesome
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:36 (three years ago) link
New Orleans is nearing completion of a deal to send G Jrue Holiday to Milwaukee for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill and what's described as "significant" draft compensation, sources tell ESPN. Teams are still working through the picks in trade.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:38 (three years ago) link
Bucks are finalizing a package that includes three future first-round picks to the Pelicans in deal, sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/7TYoogZHCD— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
there it is
― discourse stu (m bison), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:40 (three years ago) link
it's been reported that the bucks never engaged on chris paul. we won't be able to settle this for years but 1 first rounder for cp3 vs. at least 2 first rounders for jrue is going to be interesting to follow.
xp holy shit three first rounders
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:41 (three years ago) link
blazers giving up two firsts for covington is kinda nuts
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
i'm sorry, i don't think jrue holiday is even close to that good
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
want to see the protections on the portland picks but neither is covington
Okay that makes more sense; that trade looked like highway robbery at first. 3 first rounders and Bledsoe who they might be able to flip for one more to a bad/desperate team for an expiring 30 year old who hasn't been an all-star since 2013 is a pretty decent haul if the picks are lightly/unprotected. Happy Jrue will be seriously be contending for a title; him and his family are some of the nicest people in professional sports.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:43 (three years ago) link
milwaukee in a tough spot, its an understandable move but obvs dicey
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:45 (three years ago) link
New Orleans also receives two future draft pick swaps from Milwaukee, along with three firsts, sources said. https://t.co/pZtkfvZkrD— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 17, 2020
....this is the anthony davis trade except for a guy who made one all-star team seven years ago
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:47 (three years ago) link
oh man thats idk...
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:47 (three years ago) link
they did not get a player who can solve their problem with scoring points against good teams who are playing defense
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link
Goddam David Griffin saw all those "Sam Presti has literally 20 million first rounders till the heat death of the universe" tweets and got to work LOL.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link
jrue is underrated but not by that much
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:49 (three years ago) link
Besides the three future first-round picks going to New Orleans, there are also pick swaps included in the deal, per sources. All in all, this is shaping up to be a draft compensation package similar to New Orleans' deal for Anthony Davis with Lakers. https://t.co/HbnLxzUI96— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
uhhhhh..................
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:49 (three years ago) link
i'm stealing this from zach lowe iirc but if jrue hadn't destroyed the blazers in that series a couple years ago would anyone be rating him this highly?
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
it's trades baby
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link
aw i'm glad woj is on my level :)
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link
this is crazy because even in the scenario where they re-sign giannis what are they even leaving themselves with to keep improving the team? giannis will be on a super max, middleton is on a max, and jrue will be on a pretty hefty extension. and you have almost completely deprived yourself of assets
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:52 (three years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, November 16, 2020 11:50 PM (fifty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
ive read that hes really well rated/liked/respected around the league altogether, a ballers baller if you will
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:53 (three years ago) link
jrue is a good player, but if he really impacted winning that much, the pels would have been a better team for the past couple years.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:55 (three years ago) link
bucks clearly freaking the fuck out abt giannis leaving
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:58 (three years ago) link
as they should be, getting knocked out in the 2nd round without putting up much of a fight was a disaster
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:01 (three years ago) link
jrue has tremendous respect in the league and some gaudy advanced stats, but that trade is discounting the future pretty drastically
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:01 (three years ago) link
Jrue is basically the perfect 2b/3rd option on a contending team that already has it's shit together offensively and defensively. Much in the same way AD is the ultimate 1b/2nd option on a team that has a primary creator a la LeBron. If Giannis can develop some form of offensive repertoire besides tonka trucking to the rim come playoff time Jrue can absolutely be the piece that puts the Bucks over the hump they've been stuck in. Marc Stein is insinuating that thr Bucks are actually confident Giannis will re-up; this might've been a Kawhi-esque "Go get me another star and I'll commit" type of deal. Would be a win-win for both teams if true.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:04 (three years ago) link
yeah wldnt be surprised if giannis signed off on this/agreed to stay in which case they bucks didnt really have a choice
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:11 (three years ago) link
and i do think jrue is a really good player but im not sure if he solves the bucks particular issues around having guys who can generate good looks
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:12 (three years ago) link
For the Bucks, they were able to acquire Jrue Holiday without costing themselves any of their key core players. Three firsts and two pick swaps isn’t an immense price to pay with @Giannis_An34’s decision looming on signing his extension.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
The last two weeks have been filled with chatter that Giannis Antetokounmpo indeed plans to sign his five-year supermax with the Bucks before the Dec. 21 deadline to do so ...The Bucks just made a trade that suggests they must believe it— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) November 17, 2020
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:14 (three years ago) link
giannis kneecapping his franchise as ransom for him re-signing... interesting strategy
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:15 (three years ago) link