2020 nba offseason draft free agency etc

who cares if the suns suck again in 2 years

the suns prob

By adding another first rounder in dealing Chris Paul, that brings the total return on trading Russell Westbrook to three future firsts and two pick swaps.

— Royce Young (@royceyoung) November 16, 2020

they're gonna have booker and ayton through like '24 anyway, that doesn't really feel like 'win-now'. and if those guys aren't good enough then they're not winning later anyway

what

yah this isnt a win it all now mode. this is a get in the playoffs and hopefully instill some good habits on ayton mode.

you all have quite lost your minds, good day

It’s bizarre how you guys think this is good for the Suns tbh

🐦[By adding another first rounder in dealing Chris Paul, that brings the total return on trading Russell Westbrook to three future firsts and two pick swaps.
— Royce Young (@royceyoung) November 16, 2020🕸]🐦

the team that was last seen winning every game in the bubble with a young roster might want to idk continue to develop that team instead of trading for a 35 y/o with one of the biggest salaries in the league

oubre is gonna demand more money than he's worth. rubio cant shoot.

thye did all that bubble stuff w out oubre. cam j and mikal look like the future for them.

they didn't trade any of those young guys so i think they can keep developing. the suns are "young" but they're also about to get really expensive so yeah they'd probably like to start making the playoffs.

oubre is gonna demand more money than he's worth.

― Spottie, Monday, November 16, 2020 1:47 PM (fifty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

if someone wants to way over pay oubre fine, but is that the most likely outcome? probably not, they really should have tried to retain him

I think there’s some cool elements to this for the Suns but it’s a pretty balanced trade overall and I think I like it better for OKC

Four-time All-Star DeMar DeRozan is opting into his $27.7M contract with the Spurs for the 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 16, 2020

props to the spurs keeping one of their best players

i think okc did well getting a pick out of it.

And I totally dismiss this idea that Rubio and Oubre are nothing. Rubio helps teams win games and Oubre is a talented dude.

whatre the chances that paul is worse than rubio alone next year like 1/4

they arent nothing but they arent a reason to hold back a trade either.

they gave up practically nothing. oubre is a hair above average at best but they have wing depth to spare. rubio is an average player whose exact role on the team -- veteran PG -- is being replaced by a far superior player. the pick they traded would likely have been mid to late lottery even if they had continued the course. the franchise hasn't made the playoffs in 10 years, playing a full season of competitive basketball and potentially making the playoffs will prob feel really good. you can only lose for so long!

if they get the cp of the 1st half of last season then this will be a disaster but if they get 2nd half cp then it will be fine.

the only excuse i can think for trading oubre, a classic hard working can fit in anywhere type, is maybe he wouldnt stop asking everyone if they saw his fit picks on the gram

i like oubre as much as the next guy but his contract is up after this year, if the suns extended him at his current $15m or more when they have other cheaper possibly better wings we'd all be killing them for that.

they have bridges and cam johnson who are arguably better than oubre... really they basically had three of the same player. sparing one (the older and more expensive one) to get chris paul is a totally acceptable move to me. oubre is probably, like, a 1 or 2 win above replacement player at best. he's totally expendable.

first round picks arent nothing, starting quality players arent nothing, taking on $10m more in salary also not nothing

It just seems like an amazing coup for the thunder that they took chris Paul, who was considered such a negative asset that they got a bushel of picks for trading an inferior player, and then the next year got assets for him.

cp played himself into tradability

this was good for both franchises

i like oubre as much as the next guy but his contract is up after this year, if the suns extended him at his current $15m or more when they have other cheaper possibly better wings we'd all be killing them for that.

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:00 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

they have bridges and cam johnson who are arguably better than oubre...
― J0rdan S., Monday, November 16, 2020 2:00 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

having 3 good wings is actually technically speaking a good and desirable thing, you can even play them all at once, or you could pay a 35 y/o pg $10m more than your old pg and that wing made combined idk

xp i don't entirely disagree but i think there was an imperative out of houston to do that particular deal which presti recognized and used to drive the overpay.

if anyone can produce a single statistic showing that kelly oubre is anything more than a slightly above average player at best i'm all ears. his VORP last year was 0.7. box plus minus was -0.5. real plus minus was -3.05 (83rd among SF). by win shares he was roughly as good as monte morris, alec burks, and KCP. 538 raptor has him as the 108th best player in the league, right next to thomas satoransky and alec burks. this is an expendable player.

who cares about the suns salary cap? what are they spending that money on? ricky rubio and kelly oubre?

they also still have $18M in space this offseason to add a player and the #10 pick. that's pretty good!

not caring about middling players, draft picks, salary space are all classic bad franchise habits

who cares about the suns salary cap? what are they spending that money on? ricky rubio and kelly oubre?

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 16, 2020 2:09 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

not understanding basic concepts like opportunity cost etc etc

also taking a promising team and trading players in order to make the playoffs this year, which iirc was what happened to the last promising suns team

not caring about middling players, draft picks, salary space are all classic bad franchise habits

― lag∞n, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:14 PM (two minutes ago)

a classic bad franchise habit is also to pick an endless amount of young players and never convert that into winning i.e. suns, wolves, magic, hornets, kings, cavs etc

i mean i think a lot of the enthusiasm for this trade is based on the assumption that the suns are just always gonna basically suck so why not have cp3 for a couple years which fine but it doesnt make it an actually good trade

i am glad we have figured out all the inflection points on this trade

- how good you think cp3 is likely to be going forward
- what you think the actual opportunity cost was to the suns
- where the suns are as a franchise/what you think they should be doing

if they make the playoffs and keep booker happy then its a good trade. pretty simple

having cp3 on yr team has not always been shown to provoke happiness in his teammates

not understanding basic concepts like opportunity cost etc etc

― lag∞n, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:14 PM (three minutes ago)

there is very little to no opportunity cost to the suns taking on cp3's salary. if the opportunity cost is signing guys like rubio and oubre to above market rate deals to play for my sorry franchise give me chris paul's crazy contract that ends in 2 seasons.

the assumption that they couldnt possibly sign anyone beneficial to their team is silly, but of course by making this trade you are also passing up the opportunity to make a different trade

not caring about middling players, draft picks, salary space are all classic bad franchise habits

― lag∞n, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:14 PM (two minutes ago)

a classic bad franchise habit is also to pick an endless amount of young players and never convert that into winning i.e. suns, wolves, magic, hornets, kings, cavs etc

Actually trading for CP3 is a classic MJ hornets move

mj sleeping smh

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the vets that charlotte has acquired are like... nic batum, marvin williams, al jefferson, stephen jackson. aka guys who are not even half the player chris paul is

the player in this trade most similar to players previously acquired by the hornets is ricky rubio -- a low ceiling vet they had to overpay in order to acquire -- and i think it's good that they got rid of him, unlike certain posters in this thread, such as matt