DAY 2 RECAP
21 - Wave Race 64 - 298 points / 1 First-place vote / 5 Votes22 - Gran Turismo - 279 points / 1 First-place vote / 5 Votes23 - Star Fox 64 - 268 points / 4 Votes24 - Final Fantasy IX - 260 points / 1 First-place vote / 6 Votes25 - Gran Turismo 2 - 260 points / 5 Votes26 - Perfect Dark - 259 points / 6 Votes27 - Sega Rally - 256 points / 5 Votes28 - Crash Bandicoot 2 - 238 points / 5 Votes29 - Grand Theft Auto - 237 points / 5 Votes29 - Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo - 237 points / 5 Votes31 - Bushido Blade - 235 points / 5 Votes32 - Resident Evil (incl. Director's Cut) - 218 points / 6 Votes33 - Star Control II - 216 points / 1 First-place vote / 3 Votes34 - Vib Ribbon - 207 points / 6 Votes35 - Wipeout 3 aka Wip3out - 200 points / 1 First-place vote / 4 Votes36 - Tekken 3 - 197 points / 4 Votes37 - Street Fighter Alpha 3 - 196 points / 4 Votes38 - Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - 194 points / 3 Votes39 - Tomb Raider - 193 points / 5 Votes40 - Bust a Groove - 189 points / 4 Votes41 - Blast Corps - 187 points / 5 Votes42 - Xenogears - 184 points / 3 Votes43 - Grandia - 182 points / 5 Votes44 - Ape Escape - 181 points / 4 Votes44 - Resident Evil 3: Nemesis - 181 points / 4 Votes46 - Shining Force III - 181 points / 3 Votes47 - Panzer Dragoon Saga - 180 points / 1 First-place vote / 3 Votes48 - Chrono Cross - 178 points / 4 Votes49 - Colin MacRae Rally - 174 points / 4 Votes50 - Um Jammer Lammy - 171 points / 3 Votes
ON THE DOCKET FOR TOMORROW: a) Games ranked 20-4b) a silly obvious fakeout for games 1-3c) the real 1-3d) a complete list of everything that got a single point with arbitrary "tiers"
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link
GT1 was my number 1. It is just awesome.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
notable vote splits:
Gran Turismo could've been #13 if GT2 voters had instead voted for it (and both-voters swapped so that GT1 was their higher pick)Crash Bandicoot Series could've been #16 with the same help (this counts 1, 2 and Warped which I think is 3?)Bushido Blade could've been 23rdTekken series could've been 25thTomb Raider 33rdAnd finally, because it came up here and I don't want to lead anyone on -- Darkstalkers could've been 53rd if votes weren't split between Vampire Saviour and Night WarriorsThere are a couple of other ones where vote splitting was notable but I don't think they would've cracked the top 77 either way-- i'll post the full list tomorrow of everything that got votes
note: the "new" numbers includes all of the vote splits i calculated at once, so some of them may have moved up even more if they were te *only* game that got the gameshark code for "not splitting their votes"
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:41 (three years ago) link
hey vote splitters: YA FUCKED UP
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
WTF re: Night Warriors
― DJP, Friday, 13 November 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
loving the rollout, Will!
this is why i kindly ask that we do videogame polls every single month, every year
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
Homework for everyone on this thread is to track down an emulation of that game because it is by FAR the best 2D fighter ever made
― DJP, Friday, 13 November 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link
just a lil test for tomorrow bc i cant remember the last time i used code markup
Daytona USA | 107 | 0 | 2 | Driver | 106 | 0 | 3 | Front Mission 3 | 103 | 0 | 2 |
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:01 (three years ago) link
sick ok
siiiick
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
i'm the vote-splitting vampire saviour voter, DJP, and it gets worse: i originally had night warriors on the ballot but subbed it out thinking vsav was probably better and one of these is enough representation
― chihuahuau, Friday, 13 November 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link
I also only voted for Vampire Savior. It's the one that tournament players like.
― wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
starfox 64 way too low! it is indeed a near-perfect one-sitting challenge - maybe just a little TOO long for a completely casual session but still just a sweet, satisfying, largely fluid experience. my siblings and i also played the shit out of the multiplayer, which isn't a patch on Mario 64 but made a nice alternative if we wanted something more confrontational and it was too late at night to get loud upstairs by playing multiplayer Duke 3D.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link
i guess top 25 is pretty good tho. i just love that silly game.NEVER GIVE UP! TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link
Wip3out: my #1. Best racing franchise ever, it was a toss up between this and 2097 but the clean graphics and the orbital and chem bros tracks just edged it.Um Jammer Lammy: I lost my dojo, but it still remains in my mind... It even has a casino. Dojo. Casino. It's all in the mind.Vib Ribbon: my #6, lol. Maybe not the best for replayability but a unique take on rhytham games and great quirky songs - Laugh and Peace - Vib-Ribbon OSTBust a Groove: Everything is fine with me if I'm with my E-Z mouseTekken 3: surely the best of this generation's TekkensGran Turismo: at the time this looked amazing - the reflections on the car, the way it wobbled and bumped when you went off the track. Easy to judge it as pretty ropey by today's standards but TV from back then looks pretty rubbish too but you'd never have thought that at the time. Loved how you could tune the cars suspension to ridiculous levels and have it bounce all over like it was racing on a trampoline.Perfect Dark: played a lot of this, single and multiplayer, didn't vote for it as it's a pale shadow of Goldeneye. My main memory is of the single player, wandering around lost in a building being followed by that stupid flying laptop saying "Haven't been round here before!" every two minutes.
― neith moon (ledge), Friday, 13 November 2020 09:05 (three years ago) link
Tekken 3: surely the best of this generation's Tekkens
May I present my evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9rGtt0gmZg
― neith moon (ledge), Friday, 13 November 2020 09:11 (three years ago) link
^ just watched those, it all came flooding back. hard lols at gon, mokujin, kuma/panda :((( and heihachi world.
― neith moon (ledge), Friday, 13 November 2020 09:23 (three years ago) link
Now I want a WaveRace remake that looks like the art in that ad
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 13 November 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link
that's a really good idea!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link
Puzzle Fighter was another one where I can't say for sure how great of a puzzle game it was, but I gave it votes for memories of having a blast playing it --- maybe saw it for the first time at Anime Weekend Atlanta in the late 90s, was spellbound by the colors and the animation of it, all the crystal shards smashing everywhere. Later, two of my best college gal pals had a copy, at a spot that was sort of a dinky duplex but also the first off-campus apartment anyone in my circle got, so a key locus of laid-back hangout times, and Puzzle Fighter slotted in really perfectly to that as well. One of those where I'd love to play it again, but would hate to discover it wasn't as special anymore.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
“zoness” in starfox kinda pulled off that endless summer vibe for me (aside from yr wingmen deploring the pollution)
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 13:49 (three years ago) link
(xp)
i can hear the shock in Falco's voice as he proclaims "This is horrible."
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
lol, it hits cuz his mask of callousness drops! very vividly done broad character strokes for a shmup.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link
totally!!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link
Big catchup post energy!
Resident Evil 3 had some solid embedding of level design in the dread - at one point you see Nemesis inside a room, and you run away, but just as you (I) realise from the map that your path takes you alongside the room you saw him in, he bursts through the wall.
(on Grandia) the quintessential "i want to play this, bring it to europe already sega" game. They did - for the Playstation.
It seems like gaming became more conservative in the ps2/xbox era (I could be wrong about this, because that was the start of my basically 10-15 year hiatus from gaming)
An argument for the next poll, but one of those a lot more than the other imho.
Tomb Raider way too low for me - Doctor Casino OTM about how keeping some formalism in the jump (sorry) to 3D was key. It's impossible to 'get' this a second time, but just running around in 3D and banking when you turned, and the jump AND turn AND take out your pistols AND start firing - man!
but also the entire game is pretty much protagonist torture porn which was pretty offputting
otm, though the sequels improve on this.
DC also OTM about Soul Reaver (also pretty blocky) - I also liked the "This is a sequel to Blood Omen in that it takes place 1500 years later".
It's interesting what difference a story can make to a game - obviously story driven ones like RPGs, but I definitely wouldn't have played through the rest of the Kain series (which were frequently pretty ropey) without some attraction to this massively goth backstory and the hints of it that came through in cutscenes (is lore basically just "story that you don't play"?)
Tekken 3 is a great example of that, they only went 20 years forwards but it was enough for a new generation - literally so in the case of Jin, son of Kazuya and Jun from Tekken 2. I think it's striking that they're up to 7 now and have never felt the need for another large jump - they've gone the other direction, and added his great grandpa, Heihachi's father! Bryan Fury, Eddy Gordo, Hwoarang - and my girl Ling Xiaoyu! And as Ledge posted above, a LOT of lore :)
Wipeout (3, but also the rest) and Bushido Blade are definitely the opposite, I'm pretty certain there's no story in Wip3out and if there is any in Bushido Blade then I don't remember it, but the simple joy of hacking at your friends / dropping a rake of mines in front of them never gets old.
FFIX is the one with the 'throwback' characters and the terrible cardgame, yes?
There's still 10 of my ranked games left, of which I think nearly all of them will place (though one is a non-Square PS RPG, on which the odds are surely lengthening). On the list of unranked ones, I've kind of given up hope for Gex, Fear Effect, and Worms Armageddon.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 November 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
Woah, was Worms Armageddon in this era? I never feel like I've played enough games to vote in polls like this but that would be my #1.
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Friday, 13 November 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
Bushido Blade definitely made a big impression on me, playing it at a friend's house. Eventually I played the single player and don't think I got very far (maybe because of that stupid gun fight), and also had the sense that there was a lot more depth to the combat than I was getting into. Also loved that you could just run away from fights, unless I'm misremembering?
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
worms armageddon is an all time top five but i’ve only played it on pc.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
ughhh that cardgame in FFIX... yes... never had the slightest idea what I was doing or what was happening IIRC. the straw that broke the chocobo''s back for me was getting stuck at some point, checking a walkthrough, and accidentally discovering whole side areas and subplots that were earlier in the game and now *completely inaccessible* because they'd been blown up in the course of plot events. so i'd have to either start over or commit to a replay of this gigantic game that i already felt a little silly about playing... sigh.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
but again: those beautiful environments!
good to know if i ever pick it up, to get a spoiler-free walkthrough...
― Nhex, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
There absolutely was a story in Bushido Blade:
Despite characters, themes and weapons similar to samurai cinema set in Feudal Japan, Bushido Blade takes place during the modern era (this is shown, for example, when the player reaches a helicopter landing pad phase set in a large city).A fictional 500-year-old dojo known as Meikyokan lies within this region, and teaches the disciplines of the master Narukagami Shinto. A society of assassins known as Kage ("Shadow") also resides within the dojo. Once led by the honorable swordsman Utsusemi, he lost his position to Hanzaki, another skilled member of the dojo, in a fierce battle. Hanzaki gained respect as the Kage leader, until he discovered a cursed sword known as Yugiri. He began to change, disregarding the group's honor and the traditions held by its students.[6]One day, a Kage member escapes the confines of the dojo with its secrets. Several other members of the society, under penalty of death, are sent to dispatch the defector, only catching up to him (or her) within the ruins of the surrounding Yin and Yang Labyrinth Castle. In single player mode the players take on the role of the escaped assassin (independent of whatever character they choose), fighting their way out by killing their comrades one by one. Elements of the game story differ with each character selected.
A fictional 500-year-old dojo known as Meikyokan lies within this region, and teaches the disciplines of the master Narukagami Shinto. A society of assassins known as Kage ("Shadow") also resides within the dojo. Once led by the honorable swordsman Utsusemi, he lost his position to Hanzaki, another skilled member of the dojo, in a fierce battle. Hanzaki gained respect as the Kage leader, until he discovered a cursed sword known as Yugiri. He began to change, disregarding the group's honor and the traditions held by its students.[6]
One day, a Kage member escapes the confines of the dojo with its secrets. Several other members of the society, under penalty of death, are sent to dispatch the defector, only catching up to him (or her) within the ruins of the surrounding Yin and Yang Labyrinth Castle. In single player mode the players take on the role of the escaped assassin (independent of whatever character they choose), fighting their way out by killing their comrades one by one. Elements of the game story differ with each character selected.
― DJP, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
Prepping the last leg! Number 20 soon!
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Xyb4jl1.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/9OKHaiG.jpg20 - Banjo-Kazooie - 305 points / 6 Votes
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
too high
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
lol never played it but speak on that
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
too many collectibles, too much dialogue, too many locked moves. i was frantic for mario64 methadone at the time (i bought “glover”) and this felt so earthbound in comparison (remember that sm64 gives you its entire move set upfront unless you count the caps), so much stricter about letting you careen thru the environments. prob better than glover tho.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/JA4X0rz.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/u7JAGIy.jpg19 - Vagrant Story - 313 points / 6 Votes
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
i'd say "too low" but like... wow 19 is pretty damn good for this weird little game. fond but vague memories of this one. it's linked in my head to the square fighting game with cloud, ehrgeiz -- maybe one came with a demo for the other? and also, ehrgeiz had a mode in te game that was vagrant story but dumb?
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
No such thing as too many collectibles, Banjo-Kazooie was great (if occasionally let down by segments that relied on accuracy with the shitty N64 'Mushroom')
Ah Vagrant Story though, what a great game (and I must try to properly start FFXII at some point)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 November 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
i kinda agree with too many collectibles but i loved how unserious and just-plain-weird banjo kazooie was. and there was so much imagination packed into each world.
and i grudgingly respect the fact that the final boss fight is a game show where you try to remember earlier nonsense from the game
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/LeRhq2x.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/yRULYlC.jpg18 - Super Smash Bros - 316 points / 6 Votes
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
unserious and just-plain-weird banjo kazooie was
yeah these are strengths for sure, and i find the title pairing charming enough. just didn’t feel enough like play.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link
i had fun with smash bros, never felt too strongly about it tho because i only ever played it at uhhhhh ahem cough anime club LOOK OVER THERE
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link
kinda expected it to be higher than 18 tho!
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
i didn’t vote for it cuz i sucked at it lol and never owned a copy but it was certainly The multiplayer n64 game for the latter part of the console’s life, brought out at more parties than even mariokart. (a strange interregnum with conker’s bad fur day tho, or maybe that was just my friends.)
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 November 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
YESSSSS Vagrant Story! That it came out in the same year as FFIX probably didn't help its sales, but the dialogue and weeeeird creepy vibes were so much better than what FFIX featured.
I looked at videos recently that talk a little bit about it and I have no idea what the stats mean anymore -- but I do remember that I played it so much that character was virtually untouchable by common enemies and maybe even the end boss because I built his agility up so much.
― I want to luhbahguh babum gum (Leee), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
super smash bros was my favorite game when i was 10, and gotta say that 10-year-old me was otm
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
prided myself on being able to beat my friends with any character (even jigglypuff!). i resented that link had a weak recovery, but he really didn't do much jumping in those original zelda games did he?
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link