How does it work?
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, November 12, 2020 1:49 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
TBH I can't guarantee that "nearly all" is true, but many of them simply hire for-profit "management companies" and all kinds of for-profit vendors, to the point that the school is largely de facto run by for profit companies and the non-profit is not much more than a conduit.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link
My usual line on charters is that I don't fault any parent for choosing one based on their circumstances, and that there are certainly individual charters that are great, but that the phenomenon overall is net negative for public education and most of the successes cannot be scaled.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
My nieces attend a charter school whose owners broke promises about Black enrollment a decade ago; these schools tend to open in minority-heavy communities because real estate is cheaper. Educationally it's solid, but several of the county's best public schools surround my sister's house.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
xp Close to my feelings. The whole industry stinks of "public-private partnerships" (aka robbing public funds so corporations can profit) and the Republican mantra of "fuck you, i got mine" to abandoning public schools, but palatable enough to the Democratic donor class that wants to fence off their own kids.
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
I mean if it was my kid and the only good option was a charter I would damn well put them in the charter for sure.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
The more I read about it, the less it makes sense to me.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
I read TSF's post as mordantly saying the same thing that everyone is counterarguing to it, but maybe I was being naive
― @oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
Totally agree with your conflicting feelings, DJP. I like the idea of trying new things to improve education with charter schools, but there is a ton of grift going on in that sector, and there are some straight-up sleazy charter schools that should be shut down.
― DJI, Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
Dumb question: isn’t trying new things with education not possible with the already established public school system?
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
when DJI and DJP post in the same thread it does weird things to my brain
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
In the minds of many people, including liberals, public schools = dirty poor brown people
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
I was going to say upthread, and then edited my post down: The extent to which charter schools have poured into communities of color, esp in historically Black NYC, which is the only landscape I'm personally familiar with, it is in part the city's and the DOE's own fault for under-serving Black communities for EVER. I don't blame parents (NB I do blame white parents who move into the area and then don't send their kids to public schools though!). I definitely blame elected officials who take money from charter networks. Even if you want parents to have adequate options, you don't have to profit from shadowy corporate interest actors.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
If you're interested in this subject, the podcast Nice White Parents is very good.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
in orbit otm.
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
Public schools are one of America’s two good ideas, along with birthright citizenship, and I hate to see them undermined in any way.
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
You forgot <insert a typical Ken Burns subject matter>.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
I’m not giving TR the credit tbh
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:14 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The problem, in loose terms, with many of the things the charters schools want to "try" is that they're things like, "Only hire un-unionized teachers so they can't demand any labor standards and over-work them until they burn out!" and "Force insufficiently obedient children out through punitive discipline because you aren't obliged to accommodate all the students who enroll in you!" and "Make demands on parents that many families in crisis can't meet, and then force them out when they 'fail.'"
xxp Nice White Parents was BRILLIANT. In the first two episodes I was like HAVE YOU BEEN SPYING ON MY SCHOOL??!
The idea of free, non-public schools for innovation and as a possible testing ground for successful tactics you hope to scale up later, is not inherently bad! But it opened the door to anti-public education actors who have just jammed that wedge in with a vengeance.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:25 (three years ago) link
The prose is High Academic, but Margaret Hagerman’s White Kids: Growing Up with Privilege in a Racially Divided America is an excellent recent study.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link
On an unrelated topic:
https://t.co/4D4LVOyYhc pic.twitter.com/MwNIc41Szj— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 12, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
I would like to defund Joe's butt
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
also AOC's death-stare is and has always been lethal
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
crunch bird, my ass
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
-Jackson Browne
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
holy shit, that AOC glare
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
there's a non-zero chance that she's won multiple fights
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
she's too good for these chumps
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
i know it's not about celebs but it's nice to have a really gifted person on the left for once.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:10 (three years ago) link
if looks could defund butts
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link
defund is not enough, abolish joe's butt
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
"By defund Joe's butt, we don't mean take all of it away, we just mean parts of it would be better used for other things!"
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:40 (three years ago) link
i'm a very good judge of butts and i say it's all gotta go
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 12 November 2020 23:09 (three years ago) link
New York Times covering the abolitionist movement in 1859: "They are as rancorous and abusive as if they were on the point of utter annihilation. Their speeches sound more like the ravings of Bedlamites than the utterances of men seeking the accomplishment of a practical object." pic.twitter.com/V0RHFA140O— Waleed Shahid (@_waleedshahid) November 12, 2020
Must have been the bad slogans.
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Thursday, 12 November 2020 23:53 (three years ago) link
Movements can succeed with bad slogans or fail with bad ones
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 12 November 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link
https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ohzdDE5XOUmI6qnkY/source.gif
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
tell me more about these Bedlamites, and how i can join
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link
Rancor and abuse IIRC
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/VOgiyTM.png
― @oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Saturday, 14 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
jules rules
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 November 2020 04:22 (three years ago) link
streaming Among US again, with jagmeet Singh this time, starting in a few minutes
https://www.twitch.tv/aoc
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 November 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link
Contrapoints too.
― umarell of the year (jmm), Saturday, 28 November 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
When is Bernie going to play Among Us?
canadian special
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 28 November 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
her flaws? doesn't respond when I ask how things are going in twitch chat... the nerve!
― Evan, Saturday, 28 November 2020 01:47 (three years ago) link
She's currently explaining League of Legends to Jagmeet Singh.
― umarell of the year (jmm), Saturday, 28 November 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
A Confederacy of Dunces https://t.co/zv1bJmKrZD— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) December 12, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link
Allen Fuckin' West
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:50 (three years ago) link
When I want an expert opinion on constitutional law I always seek out the chair of the Texas Republican Party, because who could be better informed? Certainly not all nine justices of the US Supreme Court!
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
somehow I got a campaign text message from “Lt. Col Allen West” during the run up to the election (srsly, how??) and if my response didn’t put me on a watchlist then the FBI is slippin
― i am become boomer, destroyer of entitlements (will), Saturday, 12 December 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link
“I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party … the internal dynamics of the House has made it such that there's very little option for succession,” said Ocasio-Cortez, who is 31. “It's easy for someone to say, ‘Oh well, you know, why don't you run?’ but the House is extraordinarily complex, and I'm not ready. It can't be me. I know that I couldn't do that job."“Even conservative members of the party who think Nancy Pelosi is far too liberal for them don't necessarily have any viable alternatives, which is why whenever there's a challenge, it kind of collapses,” she continued. “And that is, I think, the result of just many years of power being concentrated in leadership with lack of … real grooming of a next generation of leadership
“Even conservative members of the party who think Nancy Pelosi is far too liberal for them don't necessarily have any viable alternatives, which is why whenever there's a challenge, it kind of collapses,” she continued. “And that is, I think, the result of just many years of power being concentrated in leadership with lack of … real grooming of a next generation of leadership
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link