"They," who? The incoming DOJ?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:27 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yes
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link
they should probably form a truth & reconciliation committee, but i think that's fairly unlikely
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
He's going to blanket pardon himself pretty soon. The only criminal comeuppance would come in NYS.
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
Can't pardon yourself for something you haven't been convicted of.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
but you can try!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
"I hereby declare myself not guilty of ... everything!"
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
It's going to be like when he "claimed" Michigan in the election, in that he will just tweet it out and think that covers him. Like he will totally tweet out at 11:59 on January 19th:
"I hereby Pardon myself from any and all Past and Future crimes."
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
Trump will be President from jail
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
And I won't contain my glee.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
when he gets visitors, they will buy him Swedish Fish from the vending machine, and he'll write his Executive orders via positioning the fish to look like letters
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
At long goddamn last, what fucking 'freedom' are these dumb assholes fighting for? Do they think a mask is a fucking burqa and that they're giving into sharia law or some shit if they wear it?
I'm genuinely all about handing out some negligent homicide charges to these fucks at this point.
― Some dads are not YOUR dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
It's the 'freedom' of not having to think about how your behaviour affects others.
― lots of people in a line, waiting for a number 9 (Matt #2), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
sometimes the idea of just not caring feels like bliss. but i can never be that kind of person and forgive myself.
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:22 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
In fact this is not at all clear. He can pardom himself for whatever he wants, whenever wants, about very sweeping, general things. An objection to any pardon would take place in the courts, and probably not hold up too well.
Here's SCOTUS in Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. 333 (1866)
The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The power is not subject to legislative control.
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
You can bet that sometime in the next eight weeks he's basically going to assert in writing that he's immune from prosecution for any crimes he has been or will be accused of during his term.
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
(federal prosecution, that is)
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
Only if its not actually him writing it
― Mark G, Friday, 13 November 2020 08:26 (three years ago) link
Not gonna lie ... these last couple weeks, I've been feeling the fear
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:09 (six months ago) link
There are still some unknowns. The election is still a year away. Trump has yet to choose his VP candidate and I bet he/she will be an absolute freak, not a reassuring dullard. One or more of the candidates could die. I’m kind of hoping both Biden and Trump kick the bucket and we can have the Whitmer Wave we deserve.
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:27 (six months ago) link
Yeah. It seems completely insane that it’s even a possibility, and I don’t put a lot of stock in current polling. But. As I said to a friend, show me the last incumbent with the kind of approval/wrong track ratings Biden is at who won re-election.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:27 (six months ago) link
remember this clown has been off mainstream tv screens apart from some silent court footage/photos for the last year and a half or so. once he starts talking again it will go south
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:31 (six months ago) link
Biden would absolutely lose to any of these bozos-- Hailey, Christie, maybe even Vivek. Trump, though--I'm not so sure.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:31 (six months ago) link
once he starts talking again it will go south
I mean, letting him talk all over every network constantly back in 2016 didn't exactly hurt him.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:40 (six months ago) link
I don't feel the fear yet. Polls have been increasingly unstable since 2016.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:41 (six months ago) link
it did tho, ultimately. and once people remember how shitty everything was
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:41 (six months ago) link
the weird thing is kennedy and cornel west combining for around 20-25% in a lot of these polls. where are those voters gonna go?
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:42 (six months ago) link
don't remember starting this thread
I'm retired from knowing what's going to happen in the future
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:44 (six months ago) link
xpwow really? I'm stupefied people even know who West is / that he's running
― rob, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:44 (six months ago) link
ha yeah i saw a poll with west polling at 6% (i will try to find it) and thought to myself "i thought kanye ruled out a run in 2024"
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:46 (six months ago) link
oh it was the quinnipiac poll that just came out: https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us11012023_uomg47.pdf
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:47 (six months ago) link
xpost Kennedy is pulling a lot more than West-- 19/6% in the Quinnipiac poll. I don't think a lot of the Kennedy fans are Democrats.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:49 (six months ago) link
Biden would absolutely lose to any of these bozos-- Hailey, Christie, maybe even Vivek.
this greatly downplays how much people despise Chris Christie
― c u (crüt), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:54 (six months ago) link
xp lol I wonder if some poll respondents were thinking "this dumb-dumb pollster pronounces Kanye 'corn-ell'"
Kennedy popularity not much of a surprise at this stage I guess *big sigh*
― rob, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 20:56 (six months ago) link
one should never underestimate the widespread lack of attention to or interest in an election that's a year away among average ill-informed US voters. I'm guessing a high percentage of people expressing interest in Kennedy know nothing about him other than his name. Trump's numbers are pretty secure, but nothing else about polls can be relied on right now.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 21:00 (six months ago) link
it's been a while since an independent candidate polled anywhere near 20%
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 21:02 (six months ago) link
The fear is mainly stemming from the last few weeks’ worth of lefty voter mutuals vowing to sit the next election out over Biden’s Israel-Hamas response. I know the election is a year away but I’m inclined to believe them.
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 22:38 (six months ago) link
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 22:41 (six months ago) link
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.),
I refer you to this point in 2019 and the 2020 primaries.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 22:56 (six months ago) link
xp - I can sympathize with the impulse. The pathology of the US political system often produces self-harmful behavior regardless of how one votes or abstains. This quandary applies with far more force if one is not a member of an automatically privileged and protected group.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 22:56 (six months ago) link
Fair point, but in this case the relative harms are pretty obviously disproportionate.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:01 (six months ago) link
As I said to a friend, show me the last incumbent with the kind of approval/wrong track ratings Biden is at who won re-election.Obama actually had similar job approval numbers as Biden at this point in his first term. The difference is that there was a lot more movement in those numbers back then: Obama had a negative approval rating in late 2010, was back to positive in early 2011, then negative again in late 2011. Whereas Biden has been stuck below 45% for over two years. (Of course, that's also perhaps a sign that approval ratings aren't as meaningful as they used to be, since partisan polarization is baked in.)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:08 (six months ago) link
just don't have the energy to stress about things a year out anymore.
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:12 (six months ago) link
I’m kind of hoping both Biden and Trump kick the bucket
For sure since Biden started cheerleading war crimes.
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:16 (six months ago) link
in this case the relative harms are pretty obviously disproportionate.
and that calculation will most likely prevail, but for now the sharp pain inflicted by Biden's highly reactionary statements and actions is causing a justified recoil among Americans who identify as arabs or muslims, so that privileged white lefties are mostly showing solidarity by such talk.
When the election comes around in a year, if arab-americans or muslim americans can't bring themselves to vote for Biden, I wouldn't condemn them for making that judgment. By contrast, white lefties need to realize that the value of performative solidarity should be outweighed by the substantive solidarity of not imposing a racist, fascist authoritarian on all those who have the most to lose.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:20 (six months ago) link
Which states do they vote in? And did they vote Biden last time out? I feel like state polling in the handful that matter is a better indicator than national polling. In terms of Arab-Americans would it be Michigan where it would most likely have an impact?
― anvil, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:28 (six months ago) link
it just gets a little hard to believe that Biden and the Democrats will be the steadfast bulwark against fascism given the events of the last couple weeks. Feels awfully bleak to have the choice between the people cheering on the massacre and the people looking on with a sad expression while handing over the weapons.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:37 (six months ago) link
Biden doesn’t just cheerlead war crimes-this fuck DID vote for the Iraq War. I wish hell existed for every single American politician who did the same. He’s always been a hawk piece of shit
― beamish13, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:50 (six months ago) link
Yeah, well, I'm used to abysmal foreign policy from our presidents; Biden's had a rather good run, better than Obama's at this point.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:56 (six months ago) link
Domestically, that is.
By contrast, white lefties need to realize that the value of performative solidarity should be outweighed by the substantive solidarity of not imposing a racist, fascist authoritarian on all those who have the most to lose.
Welcome to the UK
― I must be the unluckiest man alive (Matt #2), Thursday, 2 November 2023 00:04 (six months ago) link