What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

Because a half dozen DINOs in BFE lost their house races to Qanon

R we really co-opting RINO

Scientific American (oddly) tried two stabs at this, "Reinvent Policing" in their September print issue and "Fix Toxic Policing" in an online editorial. I like the latter.

But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police

If there are going to be any laws whatsoever, then there needs to be some enforcement mechanism or else there will be zero reason to comply with any law, in any society, of any size or composition, that you care to define. Whatever that mechanism looks like, it will fit a reasonable description of 'policing'. Even if the actors are mostly agrarians or nomads, or hunter-gatherers, when they are engaged in enforcing social laws they are policing their society.

Hardly anyone even wants to do most crimes as far as I can tell.

Only 1% of crimes are fun

uh, that's an interesting take. try serving on a grand jury. it won't improve your opinion of police, but it won't exactly reinforce your view of humanity's reluctance to do damage to one another either.

What can police do about, like, a murder anyway? Catch you after the murder? Worthless. Hardly anybody does murders and yet we have a thousand armed suburbanites strolling around with nothing to do on city payroll because people are afraid of murders! Preposterous.

The police aren’t going around catching car thieves and old-lady-scammers in the act, the main thing they do is intimidate protesters.

Catch you after the murder? Worthless.

yes I see (tents hands) please do go on.

You’d probably need about six cops for the whole city if all the police did was arrest people who had done a crime.

No offense to anyone itt who was murdered

(looks over the top of his eyeglasses) very interesting. do go on.

With computers the way they are now you can probably just get some high school kids to investigate the crimes on the weekend and then send jerry down to arrest the guy

what city is this? are we talking about Emerald City

this is pretty funny

Rubio calls on GOP to rebrand as party of "multiethnic, multiracial, working class" voters https://t.co/NZaws2U7Hy pic.twitter.com/eNOFaHwAcZ

— The Hill (@thehill) November 11, 2020

Marco Rubio is joining The Squad https://t.co/J6g5mIuZcw

— Murtaza M. Hussain (@MazMHussain) November 12, 2020

Membership rejected 🙅🏽‍♀️ https://t.co/O9IUKh3ZBK

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) November 12, 2020

By unanimous vote 🚫

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 12, 2020

lol solid

AOC may be the only politician whose tweets give me actual lols

Aimless, grand juries are a load of anti-democratic bullshit most often utilized to intimidate and incriminate people. I should know, because I've had several friends sent to jail for refusing to testify on them. Fuck a grand jury, and screw your fealty to a system of laws that is only enforced against a few. Your middle-of-the-road rationalist superiority complex is one of the most pathetic things on this board, because it betrays a lack of any imagination or actual desire for change.

*extreme commie voice* i feel like a lot of side effects of the way we’ve organized society cause, reinforce, and perpetuate “””””””crimes”””””””

albeit this is something i’ve mostly gleaned from watching a lot of law & order

also most of the ppl doing the worst crimes against humanity have a ton of money and take forever to catch because of it, another thing that makes me think that policing within capitalism is highly ineffective

cops are bad but shows and movies about cops are good

to the extent that anyone is trying to catch those particular criminals and not, like, hire them xp

who doesn't love a good creature feature

i would say there are degrees, cf. blue bloods which is basically like snorting uncut copaganda

all this stuff about the gop becoming a "working class party" makes no sense unless they start proposing some pro-worker policies.

the larry cohen movies that involve cops are like... cops are sometimes the main characters, but you can tell he thought cops were monsters anyway. that perspective really works for me

I recently watched an old episode of SVU (the first one as Amanda Plummer as the schizophrenic who was sexually assaulted) and I was taken aback by how much of a dick Liv was for most of the episode

all this stuff about the gop becoming a "working class party" makes no sense unless they start proposing some pro-worker policies

I think the idea there is that "working class" will be reduced to empty signifiers because neither party will bother to craft actual policy to significantly help workers

and the GOP could hypothetically swoop in and monopolize on said signifiers as the Dems become The Went to College Party

not saying I think that's going to happen but that's the theory

^^^

“Everything’s going to suck, and both parties are now openly admitted they’re not interested in changing anything. Might as well have “fun”, and the GOP isn’t going to make me feel bad about this “fun” the way the Democrats do”

kind of a Meatballs/ Caddyshack slobs v snobs mentality that definitely has a lot of sway w the American psyche

what city is this? are we talking about Emerald City

America does not have a party of the working class. We have a party of the wealthy that keeps mostly white working class people voting for them using racism and cultural conservatism, and we have a party of the wealthy that keeps working class POC voting for them using fear of racism. Democrats are, of course, still better on actual working class issues than Republicans, but one is a brisk run and the other is a slow trot toward the same erosion of working class benefits and rights.

both sides bash unions. right wing bashes teachers union. left wing bashes police union.

xpost to will - another reason i love AOC, her positivity. that GND video she made that was like an upbeat kids' cartoon from the future, about how back in the 2020s we totally rallied as a country and accomplished this amazing thing and put all these people to work and saved the planet! gloom and doom is the stick, but the opportunity to raise your standard of living (AND heroically save us from complete disaster) is the carrot.

both sides bash unions. right wing bashes teachers union. left wing bashes police union.

*all while

both sides bash unions. right wing bashes teachers union. left wing bashes police union.

― Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:35 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is so disingenuous as to be demonstrably false. Teachers' unions fight for the salaries and working conditions of their members; police unions fight for the right to be unaccountable in the commission of human rights abuses.

Yeah I don't get behind that "both sides." However it's more like GOP bashes teachers' unions, Democrats know they still need teachers' unions but quietly erode them through things like charter schools.

exactly

and yes in orbit v v much otm re police unions

In my direct personal experience the main teachers' union in NYC fights AGAINST charter schools but loses to bought politicians! Idk about other cities though I guess.

I mean Robert Cornegy Jr is set to run for NYC mayor next year and he is, and always has been, a charter-backed candidate!! I worked on a city council primary race in the district right next to his, when he first ran in 2013, and a bunch of charter school teachers & staff members came DURING WORK HOURS and GOT PAID by their employers to canvas for him! There was a lot of winking at us involved iirc.

i will always bash police "unions"

Sorry, Cornegy is running for Brooklyn Borough Pres, not for NYC Mayor. Just a step on the way though.

i will always bash police "unions"

what in the living fuck at that moronic Thus Sang Freud post, everybody has jumped on it already but that's gotta be the stupidest fucking thing I've read itt so far which is really saying something

police unions are not "unions" and should be mercilessly destroyed

In my direct personal experience the main teachers' union in NYC fights AGAINST charter schools but loses to bought politicians! Idk about other cities though I guess.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:46 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I might have worded my post awkwardly - this is what I meant. Unions are against charters, democrats are ostensibly pro teachers union but also pro charter, which is actually a low-key anti-union position.

police unions are not "unions" and should be mercilessly destroyed

otm, and even putting that aside, there are more than two unions last time I checked, so this was a particularly feeble attempt at both-sidesing