What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

fucking Christ stfu about the fucking patriot act you mentalists

I love how a focus group of Trump voters someone tweeted about earlier today is “data”

Anyway that’s Mx Snideypants to you

Yes some segments, who aren’t as affected by the issues at hand and whose representatives are not necessarily responsible for addressing them

But they still need to adress the issue to their constituents because it’s now a national debate.

There's more data than that, dillweed
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-like-the-ideas-behind-defunding-the-police-more-than-the-slogan-itself/

Whoever conflated what I argued with what VHS is arguing, never fucking do that.

I have no problem with DTP, ATP, FTP, ACAB, or any of these slogans. I've been doing community work around stuff like this for 20+ years more or less.

But if changing the slogan for different demographics might do some work at getting the police state dismantled, or getting fewer people killed on the way to abolition, I don't see the problem with that, and frankly think it's juvenile and fucked to see it another way.

lol that’s what I am saying

But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police in your responses, VHS, and I don't actually believe that.

So, regarding the slogan, sure, but we are not the same.

"Defund the Police" is a bad slogan because every American not posting in this thread has been brainwashed by 60 years of televised copaganda. Even people who don't like cops, on some level, like cops. Feel comforted by cops. Think the world is full of Bad People from whom cops will save them. If you want to get the idea into people's heads that cops should have a smaller role in daily life, that other agencies should be better funded and more available to solve problems that cannot be solved with bullets and tear gas (an idea I agree with 1000%), you're going to need to say that. You're going to need to say More Money For Crisis Teams* (*and less money for cops). When you say Defund the Police, you're saying Take Away the Cops. And even people who know how racist and fascistic cops are (never mind how useless they are 90 percent of the time; they're basically janitors with guns) are not going to be able to overcome an entire lifetime's worth of programming in an instant and hop on board for your crusade.

IOW tell people what you want to give them, not what you want to take away.

"Defund the Police" is the worst "I'm smarter than you, shut up" lefty bullshit sloganeering I've seen in years.

ThNk

Sorry, thank fuck for that post.

defund the police is a perfectly fine slogan

signed, an American not posting in this thread

Shut the fuck up

I don’t think there is need for a police in our society, but I can entertain being wrong about that. Also, I think that in the meantime, I believe there are models elsewhere that might be applicable to the US that might work and prevent the kind of horrors americans are accustomed to, while society advances towards abolition.

from slightly after the 538 article posted above, this is what progress looks like and why slogans were invented.

Just over a month ago, the term “defund the police” was almost entirely the domain of activists and academics. Now it’s a household phrase, with a huge majority of Americans telling pollsters they recognize it.

But what exactly does it mean? And when Americans hear it, what do they think of? For proponents of police reform, is it a useful slogan — or dangerously alienating?

In the immediate aftermath of George Floyd’s killing in late May at the hands of Minneapolis police officers, calls to sharply cut police funding appeared potentially radioactive. Beyond some high-profile progressive figures, including a number of young politicians of color, few leading Democrats embraced the term.

Joseph R. Biden Jr., the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, staked out his position early last month: “I do not support defunding police,” he wrote in a USA Today op-ed article, pushing a range of reforms instead.

But as people have learned more about the term and some city governments have even put it into action, Americans have shown some receptiveness to it. Recent polling suggests that many Americans have come to understand the phrase as a call not to simply eliminate the keepers of the peace, but to reinvest a portion of their funding in other programs and crime prevention techniques.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/politics/polling-defund-the-police.html

Recent polling does not mean a cold turd to me these days.

hey now i've been brainwashed by plenty of televised copaganda

But as people have learned more about the term and some city governments have even put it into action, Americans have shown some receptiveness to it.

It's like we should trust and respect our fellow man instead of assuming they're all too stupid to catch on no matter what.

*looks at the world*

"PerryUndem’s survey was conducted with the online polling firm YouGov, using what is known as a non-probability panel of respondents, whose composition may not perfectly reflect the makeup of the country."

"But neither position was identified by a majority of respondents, and a significant share said they still weren’t sure how to interpret the term."

Kinda feel like "I don't even know what this slogan means" indicates it's not a good one

this thread is beyond depressing. so much fuss over such a ludicrously modest compromise slogan, including from people who claim to be behind it in spirit. talking about this stuff like it’s some brand new thing that just fell out of the sky yesterday. I need a drink after reading all this. my god

I got a fresh bottle of Fernet.

has AOC said/done anything lately

‘ ludicrously modest compromise slogan’

‘You guys are ridiculous because I’m more on the left than you’

Sadly, Left is correct

did the election erase people’s memories or something

I wonder why this liberal backlash has become so aggressive right now, after having won? I mean I don’t really. but it’s pretty gross to witness

Because a half dozen DINOs in BFE lost their house races to Qanon

R we really co-opting RINO

Scientific American (oddly) tried two stabs at this, "Reinvent Policing" in their September print issue and "Fix Toxic Policing" in an online editorial. I like the latter.

But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police

If there are going to be any laws whatsoever, then there needs to be some enforcement mechanism or else there will be zero reason to comply with any law, in any society, of any size or composition, that you care to define. Whatever that mechanism looks like, it will fit a reasonable description of 'policing'. Even if the actors are mostly agrarians or nomads, or hunter-gatherers, when they are engaged in enforcing social laws they are policing their society.

Hardly anyone even wants to do most crimes as far as I can tell.

Only 1% of crimes are fun

uh, that's an interesting take. try serving on a grand jury. it won't improve your opinion of police, but it won't exactly reinforce your view of humanity's reluctance to do damage to one another either.

What can police do about, like, a murder anyway? Catch you after the murder? Worthless. Hardly anybody does murders and yet we have a thousand armed suburbanites strolling around with nothing to do on city payroll because people are afraid of murders! Preposterous.

The police aren’t going around catching car thieves and old-lady-scammers in the act, the main thing they do is intimidate protesters.

Catch you after the murder? Worthless.

yes I see (tents hands) please do go on.

You’d probably need about six cops for the whole city if all the police did was arrest people who had done a crime.

No offense to anyone itt who was murdered

(looks over the top of his eyeglasses) very interesting. do go on.

With computers the way they are now you can probably just get some high school kids to investigate the crimes on the weekend and then send jerry down to arrest the guy

what city is this? are we talking about Emerald City

this is pretty funny

Rubio calls on GOP to rebrand as party of "multiethnic, multiracial, working class" voters https://t.co/NZaws2U7Hy pic.twitter.com/eNOFaHwAcZ

— The Hill (@thehill) November 11, 2020

Marco Rubio is joining The Squad https://t.co/J6g5mIuZcw

— Murtaza M. Hussain (@MazMHussain) November 12, 2020

Membership rejected 🙅🏽‍♀️ https://t.co/O9IUKh3ZBK

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) November 12, 2020

By unanimous vote 🚫

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 12, 2020

lol solid

AOC may be the only politician whose tweets give me actual lols

Aimless, grand juries are a load of anti-democratic bullshit most often utilized to intimidate and incriminate people. I should know, because I've had several friends sent to jail for refusing to testify on them. Fuck a grand jury, and screw your fealty to a system of laws that is only enforced against a few. Your middle-of-the-road rationalist superiority complex is one of the most pathetic things on this board, because it betrays a lack of any imagination or actual desire for change.

*extreme commie voice* i feel like a lot of side effects of the way we’ve organized society cause, reinforce, and perpetuate “””””””crimes”””””””

albeit this is something i’ve mostly gleaned from watching a lot of law & order

also most of the ppl doing the worst crimes against humanity have a ton of money and take forever to catch because of it, another thing that makes me think that policing within capitalism is highly ineffective

cops are bad but shows and movies about cops are good