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The Only Good Cop Is a Traffic Cop

"this 100% sounds like nazi bullshit aimed contemptuously at rubes "

Exactly! Now you're on the trolley

Yes but they would have to forever be labeled as someone who voted against the Patriot Act

forgive me if someone here has already explained why they think it’s a bad slogan, but.... why is it bad

Well no parking enforcement is one of the things we want to move out of the police department entirely.

But we should also ban parking.

62 Democrats voted against the Patriot Act

Brad it’s bad because it alienates a certain subset of people who would share the aim of defunding the police but only if you use other words for it (??????)

+ Bernie

It did not seem to torpedo his legislative career

(And wacky racist libertarian Ron Paul)

Vermont isn't very patriotic ime

There's data that backs that up, Mr snideypants

Xxxp

ppl just also love to say “it’s a bad phrase” without explaining why. xgau was like “i’m an editor, it’s a bad phrase.” bitch, why

Milo you are not this dense. You're just trying to play some tedious "Imma find something to pick apart" game. Yawn

You have to listen to him line edit you on the phone, see.

milo is fundamentally correct that bringing up the patriot act was silly

It's negative. Unlike medicare for all. I don't think that makes it bad per se, but obviously some segments of the population are going to react negatively to it.

Because ppl hear it and think "whoa there will be no cops, my family will be sitting ducks, it'll be anarchy"

Yes some segments, who aren’t as affected by the issues at hand and whose representatives are not necessarily responsible for addressing them

fucking Christ stfu about the fucking patriot act you mentalists

I love how a focus group of Trump voters someone tweeted about earlier today is “data”

Anyway that’s Mx Snideypants to you

Yes some segments, who aren’t as affected by the issues at hand and whose representatives are not necessarily responsible for addressing them

But they still need to adress the issue to their constituents because it’s now a national debate.

There's more data than that, dillweed
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-like-the-ideas-behind-defunding-the-police-more-than-the-slogan-itself/

Whoever conflated what I argued with what VHS is arguing, never fucking do that.

I have no problem with DTP, ATP, FTP, ACAB, or any of these slogans. I've been doing community work around stuff like this for 20+ years more or less.

But if changing the slogan for different demographics might do some work at getting the police state dismantled, or getting fewer people killed on the way to abolition, I don't see the problem with that, and frankly think it's juvenile and fucked to see it another way.

lol that’s what I am saying

But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police in your responses, VHS, and I don't actually believe that.

So, regarding the slogan, sure, but we are not the same.

"Defund the Police" is a bad slogan because every American not posting in this thread has been brainwashed by 60 years of televised copaganda. Even people who don't like cops, on some level, like cops. Feel comforted by cops. Think the world is full of Bad People from whom cops will save them. If you want to get the idea into people's heads that cops should have a smaller role in daily life, that other agencies should be better funded and more available to solve problems that cannot be solved with bullets and tear gas (an idea I agree with 1000%), you're going to need to say that. You're going to need to say More Money For Crisis Teams* (*and less money for cops). When you say Defund the Police, you're saying Take Away the Cops. And even people who know how racist and fascistic cops are (never mind how useless they are 90 percent of the time; they're basically janitors with guns) are not going to be able to overcome an entire lifetime's worth of programming in an instant and hop on board for your crusade.

IOW tell people what you want to give them, not what you want to take away.

"Defund the Police" is the worst "I'm smarter than you, shut up" lefty bullshit sloganeering I've seen in years.

ThNk

Sorry, thank fuck for that post.

defund the police is a perfectly fine slogan

signed, an American not posting in this thread

Shut the fuck up

I don’t think there is need for a police in our society, but I can entertain being wrong about that. Also, I think that in the meantime, I believe there are models elsewhere that might be applicable to the US that might work and prevent the kind of horrors americans are accustomed to, while society advances towards abolition.

from slightly after the 538 article posted above, this is what progress looks like and why slogans were invented.

Just over a month ago, the term “defund the police” was almost entirely the domain of activists and academics. Now it’s a household phrase, with a huge majority of Americans telling pollsters they recognize it.

But what exactly does it mean? And when Americans hear it, what do they think of? For proponents of police reform, is it a useful slogan — or dangerously alienating?

In the immediate aftermath of George Floyd’s killing in late May at the hands of Minneapolis police officers, calls to sharply cut police funding appeared potentially radioactive. Beyond some high-profile progressive figures, including a number of young politicians of color, few leading Democrats embraced the term.

Joseph R. Biden Jr., the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, staked out his position early last month: “I do not support defunding police,” he wrote in a USA Today op-ed article, pushing a range of reforms instead.

But as people have learned more about the term and some city governments have even put it into action, Americans have shown some receptiveness to it. Recent polling suggests that many Americans have come to understand the phrase as a call not to simply eliminate the keepers of the peace, but to reinvest a portion of their funding in other programs and crime prevention techniques.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/politics/polling-defund-the-police.html

Recent polling does not mean a cold turd to me these days.

hey now i've been brainwashed by plenty of televised copaganda

But as people have learned more about the term and some city governments have even put it into action, Americans have shown some receptiveness to it.

It's like we should trust and respect our fellow man instead of assuming they're all too stupid to catch on no matter what.

*looks at the world*

"PerryUndem’s survey was conducted with the online polling firm YouGov, using what is known as a non-probability panel of respondents, whose composition may not perfectly reflect the makeup of the country."

"But neither position was identified by a majority of respondents, and a significant share said they still weren’t sure how to interpret the term."

Kinda feel like "I don't even know what this slogan means" indicates it's not a good one

this thread is beyond depressing. so much fuss over such a ludicrously modest compromise slogan, including from people who claim to be behind it in spirit. talking about this stuff like it’s some brand new thing that just fell out of the sky yesterday. I need a drink after reading all this. my god

I got a fresh bottle of Fernet.

has AOC said/done anything lately

‘ ludicrously modest compromise slogan’

‘You guys are ridiculous because I’m more on the left than you’

Sadly, Left is correct

did the election erase people’s memories or something

I wonder why this liberal backlash has become so aggressive right now, after having won? I mean I don’t really. but it’s pretty gross to witness

Because a half dozen DINOs in BFE lost their house races to Qanon

R we really co-opting RINO

Scientific American (oddly) tried two stabs at this, "Reinvent Policing" in their September print issue and "Fix Toxic Policing" in an online editorial. I like the latter.

But you betray an actual belief that there need to be police

If there are going to be any laws whatsoever, then there needs to be some enforcement mechanism or else there will be zero reason to comply with any law, in any society, of any size or composition, that you care to define. Whatever that mechanism looks like, it will fit a reasonable description of 'policing'. Even if the actors are mostly agrarians or nomads, or hunter-gatherers, when they are engaged in enforcing social laws they are policing their society.

Hardly anyone even wants to do most crimes as far as I can tell.