What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

When not reading they can do some gardening

do a "make libraries rich" program and put "funds come from the police" in fine print

for americans, i feel like the difference between police and, say, ICE, is that ICE is the neighbor's abusive husband and police is your own.

*white* americans

everyone here knows about CAHOOTS right? I mean, I think we all agree this is the direction we want to go in terms of how to *start* defunding the police (even if that's not what we end up calling it)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/us/cahoots-replace-police-mental-health-trnd/index.html

yeah, it's actually been implemented in places. denver put in something like that this summer i think.

though slc would have to find another name for it as CAHOOTS is the name of everyone's favorite sex shop

xp yes!! so proud of Eugene for spreading that model

wait what

oh I misread that as "sic", carry on and LMAO

make the police compete with a new public safety office full of people who don't have guns and have empathy training.

xp it's true

google cahoots slc

oh I bet! that was a genuine LMAO

hehe

go with COHORTS maybe? altho that has kinda unsavory implications to me

call 1-800-"Not The Police"

We had an example of this come up just last week in our neighborhood. There was, allegedly (he never got as far as our house, so I didn't see it myself), a guy going door to door and doing some pretty aggressive panhandling, screaming and cursing at people until they gave him some money. It seemed pretty clear the guy was having some sort of mental health crisis so a couple of us exchanged emails to see if anyone knew of any other number we could call to get the guy some help without calling the police. Sadly, none of us found anything and calling the city's non-emergency help line just found us being told to call the police. Anyway, within ten minutes our bootlicker neighbor who is constantly bragging about how much he calls the cops had already brought them to the scene. From all accounts it was resolved peacefully and a guardian for the guy was located, but it pisses me off that we don't have easily found/accessed options that don't involve the police.

(sorry for the potential derail)

https://gazette.com/government/how-one-colorado-program-uses-mental-health-clinicians-as-alternative-to-police/article_00e40914-b660-11ea-bf74-4f6167d218ba.html

there's also "make the police accountable". i think colorado passed a law against qualified immunity in june but have no idea how that's going.

make police accountable, more like "make police count my balls"

Empower the Police! Remove domestic disputes, mental health calls, non-lethal confrontations, etc from their list of responsibilities so they can focus their training on detective work. (This involves reallocating their budgets to fund the agencies more suited to dealing with these tasks and removing those call responsibilities from the police, empowering them to focus on their core function)

― DJP, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:12 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

obv needs workshopping but this is the general idea, cast taking money away from the police as a good thing for the police

― DJP, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:13 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

As DJP said it needs workshopped and we're attempting to convince people who don't read too deeply but I liked this (overly simple) picture posted in response to AOC's thread on DtP

Let me leave a visual depiction. Reading isn't their strongest suit. pic.twitter.com/SFWqZ3Jzhe

— Mac Nut 1 (@MacNutOne) November 11, 2020

forgot that angle! perfect imo

"Stop adversarial policing", "Bring back protect-and-serve policing", "Independent oversight for police", "Teach cops deescalation", "Better police recruitment"... there's all manner of slogans that are more policy accurate and won't spook low-info voters.

Cops have already been taught deescalation. The problem is they want to kill people.

those are materially different things though and already things that nearly every police department brags about doing, save for independent oversight. all of them make the police sound good and neutral.

i am lolling @ VHS being concerned about them losing their jobs. we live in a dystopia where we have a make-work program for violent assholes and we can never hope for anything better.

Cops are unaccountable terrorists suckling at the public teat with union contracts that undermine any and all attempts to hold them accountable for their violent escapades. The police should be abolished.

they are already taught deescalation, implicit bias, etc. in the academy in between learning how to identify "the odor of suspected marijuana" and "furtive movements," and how to do a whren stop. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE screaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam

Cops and cop lovers are going to respond to any one of those slogans in exactly the same way as they do 'defund' or 'Black Lives Matter.'

otm

i still think they should be paid for their positions, just change all their duties to "play fortnite". give them a few dog parks to shoot their guns in during down time when they need to take breaks from that.

xp yeah they don't need "training" for sure, that's been bogus for decades

If you want a different slogan for some reason related to the message you want to put into the world or for your policy aims or whatever, cool, but don't fool yourself that the response is going to be any better. You have to "educate low-info voters," not "run scared from them."

Alternatively, pick a slogan that's inscrutable to low-info voters. One of the early BLM slogans from late 2014 was "Indict the System". It almost begs readers to allow activists to unpack it for them in positive language.

yeah i don't know bout that, clear communication is a starting point to being honest with people which is essential imo

sorry i'm kind of shitposting i think i need a break lol

words do matter, and there are lot of "squishies" who don't want to pick a side or make waves. but yeah, it's ACA/Obamacare all over again, where they support the thing but they don't because of racism

Alternatively, pick a slogan that's inscrutable to low-info voters. One of the early BLM slogans from late 2014 was "Indict the System". It almost begs readers to allow activists to unpack it for them in positive language.

This is ridiculous. Inscrutable meaningless slogans are going to get you nowhere, because no one knows what the fuck you're trying to accomplish.

"Indict the system" sounds like a rejected tagline for a Hackers sequel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKIs86NhVno

"Cops and cop lovers"

Who cares about them, unless you think they constitute every single person who is put off by DTP

i am lolling @ VHS being concerned about them losing their jobs. we live in a dystopia where we have a make-work program for violent assholes and we can never hope for anything better.

No I’m worried the only thing some low info voters are going to get from DTP is that cops will lose their jobs, which is a net negative for lots of people who disagree with you on the role of the police and society. I’m 100% for the gradual replacement of the police force by other better suited institutions dedicated to care and uplifting communities, I’m allowed to worry the message is not coming accross. And considering how some posters are taking glee in the idea of unemployment of a whole profession like it wouldn’t have disastrous consequences for the rest of us because they are freaking economic stakeholders outside of their profession, it makes me wonder if this more about shitting on cops than making society better. Milo correctly mentionned a transition period, good luck selling policy that says ‘hey by the way you gotta transition’ when at the tail-end of it there is very little for them.

Who cares about them,

Correct.

unless you think they constitute every single person who is put off by DTP

The cops and cop lovers control the response to any slogan you offer up - no matter how watered down, that response is going to be that you want to murder police in their sleep. Thus the slogan doesn't actually matter that much when you're talking about taking away privileges from the pigs.

Black Lives Matter only became somewhat acceptable after years of work and normalization, as will be required of any slogan.

See above:

If you want a different slogan for some reason related to the message you want to put into the world or for your policy aims or whatever, cool, but don't fool yourself that the response is going to be any better. You have to "educate low-info voters," not "run scared from them."

Disarm the police - OH YOU WANT US TO BE MURDERED BY MS-13
Demilitarize the police - OH YOU WANT US TO BE MURDERED BY MS-13
Stop adversarial policing - OH YOU WANT US TO CODDLE MS-13 BEFORE THEY MURDER US
etc.

Listen to The Police

could lead to subversive outcomes

^^ yep totally, this is why doubling down seems like the way forward. "defund not abolish" can be the new slogan

for example:

"...Rose ran to the right on criminal justice policy and made his support for police a hallmark of his campaign. “I think that this is a critical moment where we should be investing in our police even more,” Rose said in an October debate. But even a commitment to more funding for the police did not stop the Sergeants Benevolent Association from calling Rose a “cop-hater”. "

https://theappeal.org/defund-the-police-medicare-for-all/

sorry that was an xp to milo who I agree with 100% here

Well except do abolish the police, don’t not abolish the police

(that guy above lost his race, btw)

and yeah what I was after was more "oh you don't like defund, how about abolish then? does defund sound better now?"

Well that’s just lying to people then

I'm OK with "defund" being the end result compromise while ofc hoping for that fabled Marxist withering away in the end

CAHOOTS for everyone (not the sex shop, sorry map)