2020 nba offseason draft free agency etc

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Fred VanVleet on his priorities in free agency:

“I’ve won a championship, now it’s time to cash out.”

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

fair enough

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link

detroit pistons are like "say no more"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link

the owners decided the only way they could keep their best players was to make special rules so they could give them cripplingly huge sums of money

The courts have required that free agency must be permitted and that owners are not allowed to collude together to fix FA salary ceilings on their own. That's restraint of trade. The solution is for all the players to have a union and negotiate a CBA that sets the FA rules. On the whole it works out better for owners and players (and fans) than operating in a rules-free environment.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link

i think we're talking about the recently added super-max here specifically

ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link

^^

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link

it's obvious that if a half dozen teams can all offer a FA the same max contract, the FA is far more likely to pick the big market team, since there are more opportunities for lucrative side-gigs and most NBA players find NYC or LA more congenial than, say, Salt Lake City. the super max was one of several attempts to compensate for that dynamic. but it would work better if all teams were riding a rapidly rising escalator of profits.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link

james takin a lil vacation

According to @KendrickPerkins, James Harden hasn't been answering the phone from ownership, the front office or even Coach Silas for a couple weeks now.

— ClutchFans (@clutchfans) November 11, 2020

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link

the result is that the small market teams instead get to keep their player at the cost of not being able to build a good team around them and then having to deal with the pain point of a dissatisfied star player wanting out

ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link

trying to figure out exactly what grievance james has and i am coming up empty

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link

he’s 31 and seeing the writing on the wall

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link

no one on his team bigger than small forward size

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

yeah, i get that, but it's been there for a while, it's actually james harden's own handwriting, and it's not going to be different someplace else.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

maybe he dropped his phone in a puddle

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link

espn reporting ownership called and harden replied "new phone who dis"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link

Maybe the strip club has bad reception

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

sources inside the rockets management group quote harden as saying "im going into a tunnel"

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

I am also 31 and empathize with harden pretty strongly. season’s over, smell y’all later imo

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link

future wolf https://t.co/SpNtQkHtRt

— jan rabari (@bushyt0p) November 11, 2020

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link

Harden ain't going nowhere until he threatens to sit out games straight up; not even a "Hey I definitely won't resign when my deal ends so feel free to trade me ASAP!" request a la AD is gonna be enough to convince Tilman to blow it up. All he's cares about as the league's cheapest and most struggling owner thanks to the pandemic is saving as much $$ as possible, and trading away his only star attraction for rebuilding pieces is gonna do nothing but lose him millions more of it.

Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link

i don't blame harden for wanting to get out now... the brain trust of that franchise is a tyrant owner who is also broke, a first time GM and a first time coach. plus the old GM basically burnt the roster down on his way out.

but it's hard to figure out a good trade scenario for him unless giannis decides to sign an extension w/ the bucks before the start of the season. in that case maybe teams like miami & dallas who had been hoarding their cap space would look at him as a pivot. otherwise i feel like you're looking at maybe like boston and philly who are trying to win now w/o any apparent FA possibilities in 2021. but boston would prob have to trade jaylen which seems drastic... sixers maybe seem the most realistic of any team in the league for a number of reasons.

or else i feel like he's looking at idk washington or atlanta or phoenix or whatever, these sorts of teams who would just say fuck it. which i can't imagine is what he's looking for

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link

celtics should jump at the chance to trade jaylen for harden

micah, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link

hayward

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link

this is really good

Sony doing Paul George dirty. pic.twitter.com/IEDOd58lo8

— Ahmed🇸🇴/A&R for Griselda Records (@big_business_) November 11, 2020

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

haa

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link

if they can find a way to get off that westbrook contract they can do some other stuff but idk about that. apparently they are paying eric gordon through 2024 as well so they are really screwed actually:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/HOU.html

harden/westbrook/gordon eating up 90% of your cap space through 2023...

Spottie, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

plus the old GM basically burnt the roster down on his way out.

i know that it doesn't really matter but i wouldn't use this characterization. like, james didn't want to play with cp3 so they traded for his friend. james didn't want to run pick and roll anymore so they traded the starting center. like every roster move was done to appease james or play to his strengths. unless he plans on being a different basketball player once he's on another team i don't know where the greener grass is.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link

i guess it's in philly where he can just repeat the process. i feel like the rockets would almost not do a trade there out of spite.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link

i know that it doesn't really matter but i wouldn't use this characterization. like, james didn't want to play with cp3 so they traded for his friend. james didn't want to run pick and roll anymore so they traded the starting center. like every roster move was done to appease james or play to his strengths. unless he plans on being a different basketball player once he's on another team i don't know where the greener grass is.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:02 PM (two minutes ago)

i'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that everyone hates being around cp3 and the westbrook & capela moves were as much driven by daryl's understanding that he could run the ultimate small ball experiment and leave some other fool to clean up the mess

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

agree tho that i don't see greener grass for him when you consider age + contract + what the rockets would be asking for in return. he had some really good shots w/ those cp3 teams but it just didn't happen

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:46 (three years ago) link

yikes

Rockets’ Russell Westbrook wants out of Houston, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 12, 2020

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link

well that escalated quickly

call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link

good that luck w/ that one russ...

J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link

lol

Spottie, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:30 (three years ago) link

harden not answering russ calls either

Spottie, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link

new york knicks pleeeassse

Spottie, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link

mr dolan we need you know more than ever

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link

the aldridge to warriors rumors are really bumming me out

Spottie, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:36 (three years ago) link

hes a bad fit for the woarriors and also bad

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:42 (three years ago) link

hes a good fit and hes still good

discourse stu (m bison), Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:50 (three years ago) link

hmm

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:51 (three years ago) link

Houston's James Harden remains committed to the Rockets and is "locked in" for the season, sources tell @KellyIkoNBA and me.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 12, 2020

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link

he's a ~40% 3 pt shooter who can defend anthony davis. they need size against the lakers or they may never sniff the finals in the splash era.

xp

discourse stu (m bison), Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link

lma is still good at basketball things. he's not a good 'first option' guy now. GS doesn't need him to be.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link

right. and his contract expires this year. if they can unload wiggins, theyll save tens of millions of dollars in luxury tax next year.

discourse stu (m bison), Thursday, 12 November 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link

Harden went off the grid on a spirit quest to perfect the one-legged 3.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:12 (three years ago) link

haven't seen the rumor, what is the trade construction that gets lamarcus to the warriors?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

i like lamarcus still ... he started shooting threes and pretty well last year. i think he still has valuable minutes left as a role player

J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:36 (three years ago) link

a role player you say! (checks his contract)

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link

what does LMA bring to the warriors that they lack?

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link


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