EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

who among us etc

loool

I’ve been wanting for some time to reclaim what I had in my blog days as an independent voice, and a great opportunity has arisen for me to do that on Substack where today I’m launching a new site that you can find and read all about here:https://t.co/hwxPOtHsHm

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 13, 2020

An independent voice for independent terrible ideas.

And of course, this asshole weighs in:

Another independent thinker quits a website he co-founded. The woke claim another scalp. https://t.co/Ikl4BPGwHG

— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) November 13, 2020

As someone said, Sullivan's been fired so many times he can't comprehend the idea that someone might leave a job voluntarily.

lol did he even read the thread

Parting is always bittersweet and I’ll miss so many colleagues so very much but I’m looking forward to really telling everyone what’s on my mind to an even greater extent than I do now :)

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 13, 2020

1. Scoop: Ezra Klein is leaving Vox per three sources familiar with his plans. https://t.co/F5H4190gSr

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2020

Three sources familiar with his plans tell me he is likely to join the New York Times under their opinion section.

https://www.nytco.com/press/ezra-klein-joins-times-opinion-as-columnist-and-podcast-host/

goofus has to go to the shithole email startup, gallant gets to defend the status quo at the paper of record

it's not quite press secretary though is it

goofus has to go to the shithole email startup, gallant gets to defend the status quo at the paper of record

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damn rip vox

been enjoying slow boring. not gonna start paying for it tho. idg the substack model. i pay like 5$ a month for nyt and the idea is wed each pay a similar amount per shitty op-ed writer?

i liked the og vox explain the news concept, feel like it instantly turned to clickbait tho and also the website looks like a piece of shit

substack is OnlyFans for wonking instead of wanking

i am legit Old etc but idgi

how is substack different from tinyletter or tumblr or otherwise bcc-ing a shitload of people?

who are these people paying actual money to read GG or matty blogs?

(explain podcast money here too while you're at it pls)

Podcasts have adverts in them and/or some or all of the episodes are only made available to people who pay a subscription

There’s also venture capital and incumbent content company money pits but as an independent the model tends to be to put out a free episode that is good, and then a worse bonus episode that is less work to make to your Patreon backers

Remains to be seen if a real number of people pay money to read GG/Yglesias. With the former it seemed like a lashing out of ego with nowhere else to go, Matty might be happy to make lunch money blogging and his real income via books/podcasts/other media.

Greenwald has a p big fan base. not sure if yglesias can pull it off tho. i looked into it tho and so far u pay to comment? lol

i understand a subscription model! just not why these particular people are worth it -- what are they offering that cannot be had free?

If you really enjoyed Greenwald's reporting on Bolsonaro or natsec or whatever, or Taibbi on Wall Street, it might be worth tipping them a Starbucks a month as a show of support plus you get a couple of posts.

Taibbi is clearly pulling in enough money to make this route attractive to others

ngl as someone who has been saying things like “bring blogs back” for the last 5 years i actually like substack quite a bit. before sullivan taibbi and greenwald all angrily resigned and it got a reputation as the platform for bad boy anti wokeists, the mailing lists i was subscribed to were (1) an economic historian writing about the lives of inventors in 18-19th c europe (2) rap blogger andrew noz (who retired his substack last week when it stopped being cool) (3) a labor lawyer (4) online friend who does the hipster variant of post-keynesian economics mixed with anime and psychoanalysis (5) leftist tech guy (hasn’t posted in a while, i followed cus of max read recommend). it’s kind of annoying that they go to my email instead of rss but it’s pretty cool to see ppl writing longer form stuff, im getting p tired of twitter threads

Taibbi is still a Rolling Stone regular, seems like substack might be his outlet for things that can’t go to the day job.

If the piece on the Chicago PD that's on the site right now is any indication, they really don't need him for anything and would be better off cutting ties.

FYI flopson you can get an RSS feed of any Substack, just put /feed after the domain. Doesn't work for paid posts though.

if you're gonna call something "slow boring" it better be really good which is why i think it might not have been a great choice

yeah slow and deep is not really the matty g brand lol

ya awful name

Slow Boring: A Podcast About The Band Low

being unshackled from Vox certainly seems to have made Matty's takes even shittier. i'm also reminded of the fact that I heard him on Ezra's podcast relatively recently and I guess I had largely managed to avoid hearing Yglesias's voice in the past, but holy shit, not to nerd-shame, but I think if I sounded like he does I consign myself exclusively to the written word

lol yeah his voice is...a lot

could be a consequence of (apparently) lacking a neck

maybe his OnE BILlION American stance is his best shot at getting to have sex

I was involved in a living wage campaign on campus when I was a student that helped win a big pay increase for janitors and food service workers.

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) December 3, 2020

This is a lie. I actually was involved in the Living Wage Campaign (fact check: there’s photo evidence in the NYT, I won an award for my participation, among other things) along with @BLMcKean and Stephen Smith of WV Can’t Wait and that’s not true, Matt.

— Ethereal AnarchoPansexual Chanda Prescod-Weinstein (@IBJIYONGI) December 3, 2020

nice

As far as I can recall, you came to a couple of meetings and wrote some articles about us and that was it.

— Ethereal AnarchoPansexual Chanda Prescod-Weinstein (@IBJIYONGI) December 3, 2020

eh I guess this is a reasonable standard for "involved"

rather a stretch for "helped win"

I see way too many people use “hey look it’s activism” as a kind of all-purpose rebuttal to criticisms of people for advancing confused or erroneous ideas, and I sincerely do not believe that this is how effective movements for beneficial change work.

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) December 3, 2020

Have you ever... done activism, Matt?

— Jillian C. York (@jilliancyork) December 3, 2020

pretty weak

not only is he effectively lying about doing any activism it seems pretty clear that as with pretty much everything he writes about he has not seriously engaged with the subject rather relying on facile first principals logic like so

imo the big problem with “defund the police” is that defunding the police is a bad idea — austerity is bad, public services are good, policing is important, and better policing will be more costly than bad policing not cheaper

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) December 2, 2020

AND he considers this approach to constitute the superior approach of critical thinking

This seems to me to be not primarily about the 2020 election but about letting social media vibes and a vague desire to be good allies override critical thinking about policy and the nature and purpose of issue advocacy groups.

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) December 2, 2020

unclear what his theory of change is, blogging, writing big idea books that no one but people interested in writing brutal reviews will read

his phrasing here cracked me up

Want to see me talk with @joerogan for over three hours?https://t.co/vObFlJpkHJ

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) December 3, 2020

Strong nah

matt mcardle

still take him over lee fang tho

smh show some respect for mattys body of work

'actually, sweatshops are good' classic matty