defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

I've seen plenty of both tbh

Most of the W luvvin comes from semi official propaganda and pr slush pieces afaik - though it is there - more so than from like actual people

I just think most people who call Trump a white supremacist authoritarian are also very likely to see the Iraq and Afghanistan war as disasters.

and I would agree with GG that, as a society, it’s time to let go of Frum.

Cosign

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnDMFYmXIAUvxLr?format=jpg&name=900x900

The CIA, the FBI, workplace managers, editors, the guy at the shop that makes me leave when they close up for the day, the Nazis, traffic lights and the people who make them, mom.

Glemm's on fire (and running into the flammable curtains setting his entire apartment ablaze)

Hey Glenn,

Good to hear from you. I’ve got a few questions.https://t.co/ehaIKfRntZ

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020

Those are all stories I broke in the last year.

Should I have not reported those?

Should I not have worked the phones for months, then slaughtered my mental health writing these stories?

I don’t know. Maybe I should’ve just shut up.

But that kind of feels like… censorship.

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020

not defending glenn but iirc someone calling you a "dweeb" on twitter =/= censorship

Glenn accused them of censorship first? Do you think Collins was "censor[ing]... the voices that are most threatening to them"?

I mean that's clearly why Collins described it as "censorship" - did you not read the Glenn tweet he quoted?

I did, I still thought his use of "censorship" there was a bit silly

I agree that two wrongs don't make a right

Unless you turn left by mistake twice instead of turning right twice.

Are you driving in Boston, because in most cases you would only have turned 180 degrees

love to imagine things

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EofZzElWEAEc8aT?format=jpg&name=small

he figured out bernie is a politician. better late than never

does glenn want bernie to say uh yeah rudy giuliani is right. the dominion voting machines or whatever https://t.co/AmqbZosQ1q

— raandy (@randygdub) December 5, 2020

“Deep State,” ffs Glenn.

stable genius glenn greenwald

Bernie, you let Glenn down

blogger on blogger crime

Shitty, mediocre, conventional-wisdom-spouting blogger who has never done a day of journalism or reporting in his life thinks it's weird and deserving of derision to want to see evidence before believing inflammatory US Govt claims.

Why? See the description above. https://t.co/e8fGxhjDb9

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 17, 2020

Thought this was going to be Glenn re-tweeting James O'Keefe.

Nah people on here probably want to pretend that didn’t happen.

why do you want to pretend that didn't happen?

Huh? No Glenn is right wing to such an in your face extent currently that people might have to accept that he was always like that. If you look through this long thread you see examples of people being in denial about that.

yeah hes been retweeting okeefe for years

glad gabbneb has returned to be really awful at posting on ILX, 2020 is now complete

yeah hes been retweeting okeefe for years

gg got very enamored with okeefes bravery in questioning the russia hoax, iirc at one point even praising him for his "commitment to evidence", which LOL ok glenn

the left is portrayed as eager to cancel anyone for the slightest misstep but it actually has such low standards for its heroes. leftists will embrace any micro-celebrity who vaguely seems share some of their enemies, regardless of why, or how awful their other positions are

like your average berniebro or chomskyite is embarrassed by this guy now but did he ever demonstrate any kind of structural or materialist analysis of anything back when they were hailing him as some kind of anti-imperialist hero? where was the leftism, ever?

GG was always a semi-libertarian dude with a few pet issues that initially put him in opposition to the Bush admin. I don’t think he ever cared about the Left as much as he cared about telecom immunity or whatnot

I don’t think he’s anything resembling an economic libertarian. he’s just too much of a narcissist to realize that the alliances he forms with libertarians in pursuit of inflating his ego on his pet issues can lead to net harm

I would be interested to see if anybody could actually assemble a coherent ideology from a bulleted list of positions gg has held. As pointed out, he can’t even stick to libertarianism

Self-mythologizing contrarianism?

Feels wrong to keep bagging on this guy w/o Morbs around tbqh

trying to do the same for any average person might also be pretty difficult, I’m probably a good (or bad) example too based on my admixture of strong views on foreign policy and national security plus progressive domestic / social democratic whatever, but I’m not nearly egotistical enough to pretend to be a pundit

he wears flip-flops and the house stinks of unwashed dogs

trying to do the same for any average person might also be pretty difficult, I’m probably a good (or bad) example too based on my admixture of strong views on foreign policy and national security plus progressive domestic / social democratic whatever, but I’m not nearly egotistical enough to pretend to be a pundit

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:05 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

don’t forget humble!!

is that supposed to be a zing at me? pot kettle buddy

aw tom I’m just joshin

Lightly punch me in the shoulder and grab me another beer

i don't remember many people ever "hailing him as some kind of anti-imperialist hero," greenwald has always been a fairly divisive person. but he was an interesting and useful writer for a long time, and there are plenty of people who are worth reading who don't "demonstrate any kind of structural or materialist analysis."

shitloads of people have treated this asshole as a hero for over a decade

he was an interesting and useful writer for a long time couple of years in Bush's first term

i think one's view of greenwald in the obama years largely depends on whether you think snowden did a noble thing or not.

I view Snowden’s results as pretty “neutral good” and Snowden the person as “a huge dick who had no business being in the job” and GG’s role in all of it as “a cipher who took a lot of credit for winning the source lottery”

his later treatment of Reality Winner proves he has no idea what he’s actually doing or whether he stands for anything

and that’s my very muted ilx version of these opinions of course, god forbid I say how I actually feel about anything to do with natsec on this forum

the left is portrayed as eager to cancel anyone for the slightest misstep but it actually has such low standards for its heroes. leftists will embrace any micro-celebrity who vaguely seems share some of their enemies, regardless of why, or how awful their other positions are

― Left, Friday, December 18, 2020 2:46 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i don’t think gg ever ran afoul of pc idpol left did he? that’s the cancellous faction