actually, Morgan is his last namehttps://images.app.goo.gl/HLyR9VwSRh5ZLmNM7
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 05:12 (three years ago) link
Expected The Captain
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 05:27 (three years ago) link
#onethread but that excellent twitterstring by the man from The Monthly probably fits on the Dem Party Direction or main US pol thread
― @oneposter (đź‘Ť) (sic), Monday, 9 November 2020 07:05 (three years ago) link
I can confirm Cooke's tweet thread anecdotally. Three Thursdays ago, I drove to what I thought was Daniella Levine Cava's Coral Gables office. It wasn't -- it was an unfurnished office of a state senators. Taken aback, I asked the college-aged volunteer (the only person in the office) for correct directions. It took five minutes of her thumbing through her phone.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 November 2020 10:52 (three years ago) link
I'm a 78-year-old white man who favors radical police reform and hopes you in particular get everything you want from politics and life. But I'm also a veteran editor who knows an unfortunate turn of phrase when he sees one. "Defund the police" does more harm than good. Period. https://t.co/dIwyiUDwX8— Robert Christgau (@rxgau) November 11, 2020
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
Gausplaining
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link
He’s so old you can’t even OK Boomer him.
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
Cool, Silent Generationer
I think the messaging is a reasonable argument to have, I've gone back and forth on it myself. But of course like everything else Xgau's pompous old ass doesn't express opinions but rather Conveys Truths From On High
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
guys i don't think 'defund the police' is going to win people over. how about this: 'de-milkshake the police'
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
Glomp the police
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
Huggle the police!
de milkshake bring all de boys to de yard
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
'castrate the police'
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
'fuck the police in a dungeon room'
sorry
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link
Felch the police
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
lol
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
Given the sheer amount of attention 'Defund the police' has drawn so far, I'd say it's a pretty successful slogan on that basis alone.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
"Strenuously finger-wag the police!"
that'll do it
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
From a focus group of people who "leaned Biden but flipped to Trump in the last two weeks of the election":
Only one participant here agrees we should "defund the police." One woman says "That is crazier than anything Trump has ever said." 50% of people here say they think Biden was privately sympathetic to the position.— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) November 10, 2020
We ask if they support reducing police funding and reallocating it to social services and other agencies to reduce police presence in community conflict. 70% say they support that proposal.— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) November 10, 2020
― jaymc, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
poor confused trump supporters, scared away by a 3 word phrase. what do they think of BLM
― a nice person (Left), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
oh wow:
We are explaining the actual policies behind defund the police. One woman interrupts "that is not what defund the police means, I'm sorry. It means they want to defund the police."— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) November 10, 2020
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
the people have spoken:
Okay closing with asking if anyone already regrets their vote for Trump. One woman says she wishes she wouldn't have voted. 2 say they would probably change their vote. One says she wouldn't but only because Biden won. Swing voters are really something y'all.— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) November 10, 2020
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link
There's an old saying "Love me, love my dog."
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
We are explaining the actual policies behind defund the police. One woman interrupts "that is not what defund the police means, I'm sorry. It means they want to defund the police."— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) November 10, 2020― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:25 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I mean she’s not wrong...
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
You can't expect a populace who on the average is dumb enough to vote Trump to understand "defund the police". Liberals have a track record of not dumbing shit down enough. These stories and stats are exactly the same as those re: ACA.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
I actually want to defund the police
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
I posted the wrong tweet:
One woman says "I love Lady Gaga but all of Hollywood supports Biden and Democrats." Another woman says "Lady Gaga is kind of crazy and I don't think we should listen to her talk about government. She wore a dress made of meat."— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) November 10, 2020
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link
these people were always going to vote for trump. they are conservatives, fuck these people, leave them behind forever imo
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:34 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
high five!
I assume all these people hear is 'libs don't care about our safety'. Getting through to them is no easy task.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
I’m in favor of many crimes tbqh
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
Defund, disarm, downsize
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
Also, meat-bedecked Lady Gaga for president imo.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
my hot take is that swing voters are a creation of statistical polling and they are not worth building or modifying platforms around because they are not human beings acting in good faith
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:40 (three years ago) link
but they dislike meant, so that's a plus
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link
meat too
"these people were always going to vote for trump. they are conservatives, fuck these people, leave them behind forever imo"
Idk I think that 70% stat and similar ones you see when you slowly explain liberal policy proposals using words no longer than 6 letters indicate that many of these ppl are open to the ideas but the messaging has failed. When i hear about "defund the police" or whatever I, yknow, read up on it. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT READ. (Facebook doesn't count.)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:43 (three years ago) link
The people who most love the policy of defunding the police, also love the slogan. if you point out the vulnerability of the slogan to distortion by your opponents, then you obviously hate the policy, or you don't sufficiently love the slogan, which we all must agree is excellent no matter what anyone says about it.
tbf, I think it is a powerful slogan for motivating a particular segment of the voting population who have an immediate, intrinsic understanding of what it means in terms of bettering their lives. so, it's great for organizing in over-policed communities. I think it is much less useful in wider general elections, where the decisive majority of voters do not suffer from over-policing. Those middle class communities would be more receptive to a message that they are over-funding the police for too little benefit in return. It's a small change in emphasis, but in the tiny confines of a slogan, every change of emphasis is huge.
"Shrink bloated police budgets" maybe? Then you immediately open the conversation on the subject of why the budgets are bloated and make the police defend their budgets against that charge.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link
wait until these people find out that "defund" *is* the compromise, and many people prefer abolition
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
j/k mostly
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
C -, for that xgau tweet
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
haha
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
when you start babies on solid food, you don't make them chew
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
I have previously shared on ILX the story of my husband working to sign people up for the ACA in a red county in California. The number of people who didn't realize they were participating in the ACA already or didn't realize that Obamacare and the ACA were the same thing was shocking to him.
While certainly evidence of the utter stupidity of our population, it is also evidence that conservatives branding the ACA as Obamacare did a great deal to dissuade people who might have otherwise used it because they were racist.
Many people think the police deserve less funding and money, and quite a few of these people might actually be conservative! But the right has done a great job of portraying a common sense policy initiative with the taint of Black Marxism, so to speak, and while I hesitate to engage with such shenanigans, rethinking the phrase might actually be a good idea if we want to see fewer murders at the hands of pigs in this country, as well as more resources going to services that need funding...
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:56 (three years ago) link
And I mean, I fucking hate cops. I really do think rethinking it is a good idea.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link
How about 'Terrorize the police'?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
That's the quiet part you don't say loudly.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
I feel like "demilitarize the police" is a good baby step on the path to abolition for those wishy washy folks
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
Trolling aside, 'Demilitarize the police' has a better ring to it imo.
xp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link