TF was sarcastic about Aimless's post?
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
I think incrementalism vs. radical change is largely an illusion, things happen slowly and then quickly without an immediately obvious cause in many cases. I'd love to see capitalism have a Berlin Wall moment but who knows when/how that will come, in the meantime I will continue to work for "pragmatic anarchism" as sarahell memorably put it
OL I really don't have to parse that post do I?
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
Please, someone, rescue me from this damnable creeping pace
this is his usual snide, superior centrist garbage FYI
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I think incrementalism vs. radical change is largely an illusion, things happen slowly and then quickly without an immediately obvious cause in many cases
I believe a long-dead Russian guy might have said something like this once
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:07 (three years ago) link
xp to sleeve. So, do you not find this creeping pace to be damnable? Do you not ardently wish that a way could be found to speed it up? How the living FUCK is that thought "snide, superior centrist garbage"? Get out of my face, asshole.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:08 (three years ago) link
I took Aimless' post as sincere.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:09 (three years ago) link
And you can take the subsequent one as sincere, too.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
If there's a shtick to Aimless, it's being very earnest
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
I'd love to see capitalism have a Berlin Wall moment
Capitalism works very well for other countries, thank you.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 9 November 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link
I took the post in question as sincere, Aimless, fwiw
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:13 (three years ago) link
Even where capitalism hasn’t consigned 20% of the populace to permanent misery, it’s boiling the seas. Depends on your definition of working.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
imo milo’s point is that despite some good things happening, bad things also happened and those overwhelmingly dominate and therefore people who have lived through the last 30 years haven’t seen a net improvement in their lives; some people now make 15$ an hour or are now insured under medicaid, but they also lost their life savings in 2008
it’s an important point and worthwhile distinction to keep in mind. is policy (and other sources of increases in well being) outpacing the other countervailing forces making people’s lives worse?
in terms of post-tax income, i think the answer is yes. in fact, most people’s lives have improved. however, it’s very underwhelming for the bottom half of the income distribution. if you look at the distribution of pre-tax income 1980-2014, it declined by 25% for those in the bottom 20% of the income distribution. however, post-tax, it increases by 4%. so policy is outpacing the headwinds, but just barely. compare this to the previous period 1946-80, where income for this group doubled. for the next 30 percent, those in between the 20 and 50th percentile, income increased by 7% pre-tax and 26% post tax.
― flopson, Monday, 9 November 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
btw these numbers come from piketty saez and zucman distributional national accounts
― flopson, Monday, 9 November 2020 02:17 (three years ago) link
I follow AOC on twitter, AMA― jaymc, Monday, November 9, 2020 11:05 AM (one hour ago) I follow her on Twitter too!― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 9, 2020 11:08 AM (one hour ago)
― jaymc, Monday, November 9, 2020 11:05 AM (one hour ago)
I follow her on Twitter too!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 9, 2020 11:08 AM (one hour ago)
story checks out:
AOC is cool and smart
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 17, 2020 1:21 AM (six months ago)
― @oneposter (✔️) (sic), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
re: post-tax income, how does that correlate with costs of living?
Between 2010 and 2016, my rent for a below average 1 bedroom in a flyover state city increased by a bit more than 50% from $600 to $950 (and presumably has kept climbing, I lucked into renting a house that's been stable), after being pretty steady from 2000-10. When I enrolled in college in 2000 vs. enrolled in 2010, tuition had roughly tripled IIRC.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
tuition & fees*
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link
And in populous cities, the sorts of numbers you're citing are even more wild.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 02:42 (three years ago) link
i don’t have a citation off the top of my head; ill look into it and get back to you with some numbers. that’s the best data in the world for national stuff but it’s not available at any subnational levels yet. they use gdp deflators in that paper so rent is accounted for relative to its share of gdp
one reason why rent likely won’t overturn those results is incomes in expensive cities rose far more than for the country as a whole. many of the poorest people in the country, those who have *really* been left behind, live in places like the rust belt where rent is low but incomes decreased by even more
― flopson, Monday, 9 November 2020 02:51 (three years ago) link
this is interesting discussion. i don't have anything but more personal anecdata - seeing the same massive increases in rent etc, way outpacing increases in wages. i just assume it's the same everywhere, which it sounds like it .. basically is?
i also really feel like i see a lot more people out there living out of their cars etc. than i did four years ago. i'm in a mountain west city.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
i feel like it would be a good idea to tax rich people more and use that to give poor people more money.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
Social housing is something that needs to gain more traction, even within the progressives, I see it as an emergency on par with health-care.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 9 November 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
otm
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link
(also feel compelled to say I'm not disaffected, I do believe in change, just generally not via the Democratic Party)
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link
Americans spend far less on clothing and housing than in the past, but more on housing and healthcare. I see health insurance companies as an unnecessary middleman, but they are responding to prices set by pharma and hospital/doctor companies/orgs.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:17 (three years ago) link
Americans spend far less on ... housing than in the past, but more on housing...
You may want to correct that.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link
probably meant clothing and food?
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:21 (three years ago) link
Yes meant clothing and food
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:21 (three years ago) link
many xps but thanks for that Jemison post sleeve; they're so OTM partic
Bitch, no, everybody loves salt, some of us just moderate.
Put some fucking Republicans in jail.
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
And totally fair point on not seeing Dem as a entity to deliver needed change. I don't think anyone here is too thrilled about 2 party system.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 9 November 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
Very worthwhile thread that fits well alongside her NYT article:
The comments @aoc is making about Democratic ground-game weakness are being dismissed. I have seen, up close, exactly what she is talking about.— Richard Cooke (@rgcooke) November 9, 2020
― JoeStork, Monday, 9 November 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
holy fuck at
More senior staff (when people knew who they were) were AWOL, not on the trail but at home or on leave. I kept being told a particular individual "knew everything"; when I finally found him (it took several days), he was a backpacker volunteer who had been living in Spain.— Richard Cooke (@rgcooke) November 9, 2020
The backpacker is Morgan, correct? Nice guy. I'm from the UK now living in Miami and thought I was losing my mind when trying to understand how the democratic party - and politics in general - worked here. Glad to have my experiences confirmed!— Phil C (@SunWuTzu) November 9, 2020
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 November 2020 04:55 (three years ago) link
Morgan sounds pretty chill tbh
― JoeStork, Monday, 9 November 2020 04:56 (three years ago) link
actually, Morgan is his last namehttps://images.app.goo.gl/HLyR9VwSRh5ZLmNM7
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 05:12 (three years ago) link
Expected The Captain
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 05:27 (three years ago) link
#onethread but that excellent twitterstring by the man from The Monthly probably fits on the Dem Party Direction or main US pol thread
― @oneposter (👍) (sic), Monday, 9 November 2020 07:05 (three years ago) link
I can confirm Cooke's tweet thread anecdotally. Three Thursdays ago, I drove to what I thought was Daniella Levine Cava's Coral Gables office. It wasn't -- it was an unfurnished office of a state senators. Taken aback, I asked the college-aged volunteer (the only person in the office) for correct directions. It took five minutes of her thumbing through her phone.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 November 2020 10:52 (three years ago) link
I'm a 78-year-old white man who favors radical police reform and hopes you in particular get everything you want from politics and life. But I'm also a veteran editor who knows an unfortunate turn of phrase when he sees one. "Defund the police" does more harm than good. Period. https://t.co/dIwyiUDwX8— Robert Christgau (@rxgau) November 11, 2020
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
Gausplaining
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link
He’s so old you can’t even OK Boomer him.
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
Cool, Silent Generationer
I think the messaging is a reasonable argument to have, I've gone back and forth on it myself. But of course like everything else Xgau's pompous old ass doesn't express opinions but rather Conveys Truths From On High
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
guys i don't think 'defund the police' is going to win people over. how about this: 'de-milkshake the police'
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
Glomp the police
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
Huggle the police!
de milkshake bring all de boys to de yard
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
'castrate the police'
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
'fuck the police in a dungeon room'
sorry
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link
Felch the police
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
lol
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
Given the sheer amount of attention 'Defund the police' has drawn so far, I'd say it's a pretty successful slogan on that basis alone.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link