What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

wasn't it due to FPs? Admin log makes no mention of a banning, just a yellow card.

here we go, AOC on the (potential) perils of the public option here on The Breakfast Club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwhaXHqxoc

(if the timestamp doesn't work, it starts around 52:30)

I’ll have to post twice as much to fill the void obviously (I seriously don’t have time I am moving on Saturday and I have to pack ffffffff)

It’s good to know that you think a Black poster telling White posters that agree with him politically that he’s tired of being told that any incremental change that makes his life less dangerous is de facto bad because he’s not the right kind of Black person is juvenile and childish.

To be fair, I have no idea who is black or white here.

tempbanning milo seems fine to me if only bc it he were here this conversation would be even more of a depressive death drive

(i understand that reflects the current path the world is on but that’s also the reason why i thought y’all were real rich for crediting any of his posts with “imagination”)

It’s just that there is a cognitive dissonance when progressive politicians have done excellent work to re-elect Biden and then people are criticized for enjoying the election of Biden because it will hinder progressive goals.

look if these same progressive politicians do not end up being undermined by the Biden administration and Party apparatchiks I will be surprised and delighted and happy to admit I was wrong

xp
OK but this discussion is happening on the AOC thread partially because there was an immediate effort by some Dems to blame progressive goals for their congressional losses

(which AOC was pushing back against)

xp Just think it's funny to lambast people chatting on an internet message board for not airing grievances with and/or discussing political reforms they'd like to see in the US in a way that's as eloquent or "coalition-building" as someone who literally does it for a living like AOC does. So sorry I and others like me that've been suffering with pre-existing conditions under the inhumane and indefensible dumpster fire that is the US's "healthcare system" aren't as articulate or gracious in our appeals for things like M4A or examining the difficulties in passing a public option as she is.

The onus should be on the nation where injustices and inequality is endemic to get its shit together, not on people trying to survive to voice their displeasure on social media and online chat forums in a manner palatable to would-be tone police.

booming

eh it’s been done

The cliches, end to end.

Boo hoo

xp To have you hovering above the discussion to reiterate how basic you think we are is the worst.

Anyway, let's stop the #whitedudeposturing and start debating how we put AOC's words to work in our communities. I've already signed up locally to do it.

It's pretty amazing that milo and silby still can't see that almost no one here is excited about Biden winning so much as Trump losing and that most people simply want to spend 24-72 hours drinking from the punchbowl of schadenfreude before two leftist edgelords take a dump in it.

We have no power to make you not enjoy it. We have not told you, from what I can see of silby's posts not to enjoy it.

There's an ILX power of transference where criticism of centrists or Biden becomes criticism of... you. That doesn't come from the people doing the criticizing.

It's just blanket hostility to dissent. Even if you want to throw in something about repetition and cliches, I will once again point to a half million posts about Trump's evil over four years - repetition isn't really the problem, people with different views (that, internally, challenge yours?) are the problem.

So sorry I and others like me that've been suffering with pre-existing conditions under the inhumane and indefensible dumpster fire that is the US's "healthcare system"

I have a preexisting condition too. I'm for a single payer system. But I'm grateful a centrist like Obama was able to make some compromises and deliver an improvement on the Healthcare system, one that outlawed denying private health insurance based on one's health history. It's a very flawed system still, but it is better and I have hope it will lead to an even better one.

Oh I was wrong can we tempban him again

Anyway, let's stop the #whitedudeposturing and start debating how we put AOC's words to work in our communities. I've already signed up locally to do it.

Do you know the work someone like milo or me do outside of ilxor? These are really ridiculous assumptions.

start debating how we put AOC's words to work in our communities. I've already signed up locally to do it.

proud of Alfred for signing up to pants Robby Mook

trevor, you can post/speak however you like. Just sayin': while it feels good to get an 'amen' when you're preaching solely to the choir, it doesn't do much to rally those outside the choir to your cause.

Who’s rallying?? We’re posting

No one is rallying anyone to any cause at ILX, except maybe supporting a new album and given the interest bleed at ILM maybe not even then.

Do you know the work someone like milo or me do outside of ilxor? These are really ridiculous assumptions.

― Van Horn Street,

I don't!

I have no real reason to believe it’s possible to convince anyone of anything, I’m not being tactical here

and by the posturing I meant...what goes in threads like this. I've no idea what most of you do, and if so, it sadly gets lost in the scrim.

To be the pants of Robby Mook would mean being the butt of Robby Mook and uh

Not be the pants, pants

Excellent memoir title!

to post is to posture, as to live is to LARP

live, LARP, love

I don't think all of this is posturing, though— I actually believe everything that I wrote. I get wanting to celebrate the downfall of Trump, I was also ecstatic yesterday.

But the center's habit of undermining the people who bring them their power is really wearing thin, based on much of what I have been reading and talking about with people here, including people at the pantry where I volunteer.

The election was won in PA by Black folks in Philly. In Arizona, it was won by Navajo tribes and other Indigenous peoples. Detroit (and Michigan), same as Philly.

And yet it seems like the spoils of these wins are going to white centrists who have spent their careers not giving a fuck about these populations. That isn't posturing, it's just fact.

also speaking to the issue at hand, I agree with this thing a Florida friend said on Friday:

"AOC’s public response to yesterday’s House Dem circular firing squad is exactly what is needed. It was disheartening to hear the right wing Dems try to blame progressive causes for their loses. The problem was not with the causes, which are popular. The problem was their own distaste about them, and their own refusal to defend or endorse them. Case in point: Florida’s ballot measure for a $15 minimum wage received more yes votes than were cast for either Trump or Biden, in a state won by Trump. Conservative Dems refused to associate themselves with a progressive cause that was more popular than they were. They can’t blame progressive causes for their own failures."

otm. It's possible Donna Shalala would not have won her race even if her opponent did not accuse her of socialism; but running for office should come from the impulse to help constituents, and the former Clinton Cabinet member and University of Miami president offered little but a name and a bullseye and her opposition to the Green New Deal and Medicare For All -- this in a district with thousands of rich libs, malnourished seniors, and uninsured workers.

to post is to posture, as to live is to LARP

that is a sad philosophy and I don't think you really believe it

Why would I bring my most authentic self to this thread

I don't. it was a joke. xp

Who knows what we “really believe” anyway, I don’t, I just post man

Who knows what we “really believe” anyway, I don’t, I just post man

Could you at least consolidate your vaporings so they are easier to skip over?

Who knows what we “really believe” anyway, I don’t, I just post man

new board description

Could you at least consolidate your vaporings so they are easier to skip over?

"In Arizona, it was won by Navajo tribes and other Indigenous peoples."

I don't know that that's accurate? Navajo County for instance voted for Trump.

the Navajo nation voted 76,000 to 2,000 for Biden, which iirc was more than the total AZ margin

Where are you seeing that? I was pretty shocked by the county vote going to Trump. Though Apache County which is also on the rez did go for Biden, but not at the % you're citing

I guess the county vote isn't reflective because it includes places like Holbrook and Show Low which are pretty white

https://navajotimes.com/rezpolitics/election-2020/arizona-flips-navajos-contribute-to-historic-shift/

note I was partially incorrect, that's the county total not indigenous total:

"Most experts, however, were attributing the swing to a large increase in the number of young Latinx voters in the southern part of the state. "

but still:

Apache, Navajo and Coconino counties, the three that overlap the Navajo Nation, went solidly for Joe Biden, with 73,954 votes compared to just 2,010 for incumbent President Donald Trump — a 97 percent turnout for Biden compared to 51 percent statewide.