defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

I think GG definitely reads anything with the words “Glenn Greenwald” in it

When is he going to rip off the mask and call Obama a nigger

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If Trump is responsible for “killing 235,000 Americans” because they died of the coronavirus while he was in office, can the same be said of the governments of France and Spain which, despite much smaller populations, presided over almost 40,000 deaths each, or the governments of Belgium, Peru, Argentina, Mexico and Chile which have comparable or higher per capita death rates from the coronavirus than the U.S., or WHO officials who told people not to wear masks even when the CDC said the opposite?

when you think about it its really true, the governments of france and mexico and the WHO are the real villains of the trump era, you neolib bootlickers

if trump spent the past year working with experts and both state and federal officials to craft a coherent national response, and we still had this number of deaths, it would be a different story.

the reason is "blamed" for the abysmal outcome is because he has spent the past year picking fights with governors, insulting his own pandemic response team, flouting health regulations, and generally acting like the virus is a liberal hoax, which is a dangerous belief that many of his supporters hold. he's pouring gasoline on it.

like everything else, he made the virus about himself. it's ridiculous that someone cannot see that.

is it "fair" to "blame him" for "all the deaths"? no, i guess not. but is it fair that we had a president who didn't even try to protect the population from the largest health crisis in a generation?

he withdrew from the WHO during a global pandemic for petty personal reasons. it's crazy. you don't need to like obama to recognize that trump's behavior has been obscene. he is an obscenity.

trump-is-bad content off the greenwald-is-bad thread plz

Greenwald is right that Trump did not start the Iraq War

The frightening spectre of a Dictatorial Menace also led liberal advocacy groups such as the ACLU to drown in previously unimaginable quantities of #Resistance cash, frenetically donated in the name of stopping Trump’s incomparable evil. Rotted and discredited institutions like the CIA, NSA and FBI re-branded themselves as patriotic guardians of liberal democracy and stalwart protectors of a besieged population. Leaders of those security state agencies went from toppling governments, engineering clandestine coups, disseminating disinformation campaigns, illegally spying on citizens, and entrapping young Muslims in manufactured terror plots to being lavished with book deals and cable news contracts and celebrated in liberal parlors as saviors rather than destroyers of democratic institutions and Enlightenment values.

Bit of a stretch to put ACLU in with CIA no?

Hard to articulate as I'm hungover but, GG's catalogue of Bush and Obama era horrors didn't seem incorrect so much as missing the particular 'nervous breakdown' character of the Trump presidency - smashing up CDC, EPA etc.

Or to put it another way, Bush and to an extent Obama used the spaceship to do loads of stupid, terrible shit whereas Captain Trump just deliberately rammed asteroids and threw people out of airlocks on a whim. Greenwald seems to not like the spaceship and think it just needs to be blown up?

Like what does GG actually want America to be, or do? A kind of pre-WWI style isolationist foreign policy, with socialist domestic policy? I know 'Well how would you do things differently' is a sucky answer to a criticism of something but after getting through ten paras I find myself thinking it

Yeah the media went after trump for a four-year feeding frenzy, and yeah, some of it was bullshit, but the idea that Trump is basically Obama is hot-take BS. Trump literally got onstage after his team recommended mask-wearing and proclaimed he wouldn’t be wearing a mask. That alone probably added 50k to the body count. And as Noam said recently, Trump is the only world leader to call for MORE fossil fuel consumption, which is inexplicably spiteful and evil.

weird seeing glenn bashing the ACLU considering how vigorously he defended them from criticism when they were demanding respect for the nazi free speech that killed heather heyer. I guess he just goes where the racism is

If Trump is responsible for “killing 235,000 Americans” because they died of the coronavirus while he was in office, can the same be said of the governments of France and Spain which, despite much smaller populations, presided over almost 40,000 deaths each, or the governments of Belgium, Peru, Argentina, Mexico and Chile which have comparable or higher per capita death rates from the coronavirus than the U.S., or WHO officials who told people not to wear masks even when the CDC said the opposite?

I don’t know about other nations but as someone with a french passport, yes, the same can be said of France, absolutely.

If Trump is responsible for “killing 235,000 Americans” because they died of the coronavirus while he was in office, can the same be said of the governments of France and Spain which, despite much smaller populations, presided over almost 40,000 deaths each, or the governments of Belgium, Peru, Argentina, Mexico and Chile which have comparable or higher per capita death rates from the coronavirus than the U.S., or WHO officials who told people not to wear masks even when the CDC said the opposite?

when you think about it its really true, the governments of france and mexico and the WHO are the real villains of the trump era, you neolib bootlickers

― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:34 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

you can’t just pick the non-US countries with the worst outbreaks and say ‘since Trump only did a bit worse than them it’s not so bad’. that’s called selecting on the dependent variable, and it mechanically creates a bias. the relevant counterfactual for the US is some average over all other comparable countries. canada for example, which would have a high weight in such a counterfactual, has tiny death per capita relative to the US

given how rich, warm, and dry much of the US is, you’d actually expect it to have less deaths than an average european country

It’s really dumb because the answer is clearly “...yes, of course the same can be said of those countries”

All govts with shitty pandemic responses can be held responsible for them, who’d argue otherwise

Maybe it’s more common than I think but it’s seems to me that a vast majority of Trump haters, also hated the Bush administration, right?

It’s really dumb because the answer is clearly “...yes, of course the same can be said of those countries”

All govts with shitty pandemic responses can be held responsible for them, who’d argue otherwise

― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:18 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

not every country with a bad outbreak had a bad response. that’s most true for the first wave (when tests didn’t even exist and everyone was in the dark while it spread) but still very true for second and third. there’s a large element of randomness in which outbreaks will get bad due to things like network positions of the initial seeding and populations compliance with tracing. most of the cross-regional variation in deaths can’t be explained by policy

Maybe it’s more common than I think but it’s seems to me that a vast majority of Trump haters, also hated the Bush administration, right?

Yeah the people GG is picking a fight with here - people who haaaaate Trump but lurrrrve Obama and Bush - don't sound like a very large bloc

Also people tend to get most annoyed with today's horrible disaster rather than yesterday's

Like what does GG actually want America to be, or do?

to pay attention to him

idk about lurrrve but there are definitely quite a lot of "I never liked him but at least he brought dIgNiTy tO tHe OfFiCe" people out there xp

Are you talking about W, because the most common take I've seen is "I thought W was embarrassing but Trump blows him out of the water" which is not at all the same thing

I've seen plenty of both tbh

Most of the W luvvin comes from semi official propaganda and pr slush pieces afaik - though it is there - more so than from like actual people

I just think most people who call Trump a white supremacist authoritarian are also very likely to see the Iraq and Afghanistan war as disasters.

and I would agree with GG that, as a society, it’s time to let go of Frum.

Cosign

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The CIA, the FBI, workplace managers, editors, the guy at the shop that makes me leave when they close up for the day, the Nazis, traffic lights and the people who make them, mom.

Glemm's on fire (and running into the flammable curtains setting his entire apartment ablaze)

Hey Glenn,

Good to hear from you. I’ve got a few questions.https://t.co/ehaIKfRntZ

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020

Those are all stories I broke in the last year.

Should I have not reported those?

Should I not have worked the phones for months, then slaughtered my mental health writing these stories?

I don’t know. Maybe I should’ve just shut up.

But that kind of feels like… censorship.

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020

not defending glenn but iirc someone calling you a "dweeb" on twitter =/= censorship

Glenn accused them of censorship first? Do you think Collins was "censor[ing]... the voices that are most threatening to them"?

I mean that's clearly why Collins described it as "censorship" - did you not read the Glenn tweet he quoted?

I did, I still thought his use of "censorship" there was a bit silly

I agree that two wrongs don't make a right

Unless you turn left by mistake twice instead of turning right twice.

Are you driving in Boston, because in most cases you would only have turned 180 degrees

love to imagine things

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EofZzElWEAEc8aT?format=jpg&name=small

he figured out bernie is a politician. better late than never

does glenn want bernie to say uh yeah rudy giuliani is right. the dominion voting machines or whatever https://t.co/AmqbZosQ1q

— raandy (@randygdub) December 5, 2020

“Deep State,” ffs Glenn.

stable genius glenn greenwald

Bernie, you let Glenn down

blogger on blogger crime

Shitty, mediocre, conventional-wisdom-spouting blogger who has never done a day of journalism or reporting in his life thinks it's weird and deserving of derision to want to see evidence before believing inflammatory US Govt claims.

Why? See the description above. https://t.co/e8fGxhjDb9

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 17, 2020

Thought this was going to be Glenn re-tweeting James O'Keefe.

Nah people on here probably want to pretend that didn’t happen.

why do you want to pretend that didn't happen?