What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

When you're miserable about how miserable you are certain to be in the future, nothing in the present can disturb your misery.

disingenuousness/gaslighting is just as lacking in civility as “throwing tantrums” or whatever.

otm

Aimless tut-tutted someone’s tone

monotone

Aimless, not sure if you noticed but due to the timing of your post, and the thread you made it in, many of us read you as tut-tutting the impertinent tone of AOC in her tweet, and not - as I now infer from this post - milo.

"I find no catharsis in President Biden"

Sucks to be you then

I’m pretty comfortable not deriving joy from the guy who has played a leading role in ruining millions of lives over the past five decades.

If Joe Biden is the best thing you got going in your life let me know I’ll send you an edible arrangement or something to try to lend you a little sunshine

many of us read you as tut-tutting the impertinent tone of AOC in her tweet

Two posts above mine milo posted, without comment, a tweet that suggested:

I am a progressive, and I think you need to develop a more conciliatory and cooperative attitude.

Milo being milo, no comment was required to file this under "scorn and derision". My post was responding to his. Cooperation with anyone not firmly in agreement with all things milo is the worst of sins in his politics. I see I failed to make it clear what and who I was responding to.

guys let's keep the "Biden sucks" fights to the Biden sucks thread today, unless it's to disagree with AOC's tone in congratulating him (once, then pushing it down her feed with RAH! RAH! ILHAN OMAR! tweets)

I see I failed to make it clear what and who I was responding to.

Perhaps you did not see what and who that Karen was responding to; it was aligning yourself with her sentiments that read, in context, as you dismissing the structural and racist aspects of AOC's specific marginalisation.

I’m pretty comfortable not deriving joy from the guy who has played a leading role in ruining millions of lives over the past five decades.

No what you are doing is refusing to derive joy from millions who are feeling much better about their future today, you have a right to do that of course, but don’t pretend it’s not a continuous desire to set yourself apart from others.

no comment was required to file this under "scorn and derision"

Yes, scorn and derision for the literal Karen, representative of thousands of other "I'm a liberal but" halfwits, scolding and policing AOC for daring to counter the moderates who are trying to claw back what little progress has been made in the Democratic Party.

i don't want MEdicare4All, I want Medicare4Y'All

lol @ ‘literal karen’

constant to semi constant misery and an utter inability to chill is a common ailment among leftists I know, myself included. comes with the frustration of the world not being better and having a bit of a concept of just how much collective effort would be required to significantly unfuck it.

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

kinda condescending to presume that non-miserabilists care less about the world not being better imho

whenever ppl say stuff like that it reads to me as self-pity at your own pessimism of the will

I don't see any desire for collective effort, just the desire for the 'establishment' to bend the knee to progressives and your favorite policies no matter what.

wait do you ppl all choose what to be miserable or happy about? I definitely can't, so kudos

There is no collective effort with the establishment. They want different things. One side organizes tenants' unions, the other side takes a million dollars to lobby against rent control.

xpost no, but contrary to popular opinion, people don't all process the same information in the same manner

i mean i'm not gonna deprive someone from feeling misery over things like this but i'll be damned if i'll let anybody tell me I'm wrong for not feeling that way

That’s a good question, but I generally choose to be happy when like-minded people are so happy they are dancing in the streets.

I am also generally an optimist, and we just saw a lot of growth and victories for progressives over the past week and the falling of one gigantic hurdle (a GOP presidency) so really i’ve just been peeved by the doom and gloom of some posters here.

Prop 22 is one of the worst harbingers of the future of being a working person in America - the cretins at Uber and Lyft and behind the proposition movement aren't hillbilly Republicans from Tuscaloosa, they're former Obama staffers and Kamala Harris's family.

(But the cretins from Tuscaloosa will happily pick up the ball from here, of course.)

Yeah hope you enjoy sharecropping for venture capitalists in your golden years

i could die of just about everything any day of the week, and i don't wanna die with my butthole clenched

Would you believe the actual communists I know inform me I’m basically just a liberal

They aren’t wrong neither

earnestly wondering if it might be a good idea to have a dedicated gloom and doom thread so the nice people can enjoy themselves in peace

There’s only #onethread

I’m genuinely not doomy or gloomy!! I resent the implication that I am actually.

We have the Joe Biden sucks thread and it's not okay to say Joe Biden sucks there so... doubt it.

There is no collective effort with the establishment. They want different things. One side organizes tenants' unions, the other side takes a million dollars to lobby against rent control.

To be fair, rent control is a disaster that made millions and millions for landlords and keynesian economists, the same that are vouching for single payer, consider it to be a fraud most of the time.

A good NYTimes interview.

We finally have a fuller understanding of the results. What’s your macro takeaway?
Well, I think the central one is that we aren’t in a free fall to hell anymore. But whether we’re going to pick ourselves up or not is the lingering question. We paused this precipitous descent. And the question is if and how we will build ourselves back up.

We know that race is a problem, and avoiding it is not going to solve any electoral issues. We have to actively disarm the potent influence of racism at the polls.

But we also learned that progressive policies do not hurt candidates. Every single candidate that co-sponsored Medicare for All in a swing district kept their seat. We also know that co-sponsoring the Green New Deal was not a sinker. Mike Levin was an original co-sponsor of the legislation, and he kept his seat.

...

What if the administration is hostile? If they take the John Kasich view of who Joe Biden should be? What do you do?

Well, I’d be bummed, because we’re going to lose. And that’s just what it is. These transition appointments, they send a signal. They tell a story of who the administration credits with this victory. And so it’s going be really hard after immigrant youth activists helped potentially deliver Arizona and Nevada. It’s going to be really hard after Detroit and Rashida Tlaib ran up the numbers in her district.

It’s really hard for us to turn out nonvoters when they feel like nothing changes for them. When they feel like people don’t see them, or even acknowledge their turnout.

If the party believes after 94 percent of Detroit went to Biden, after Black organizers just doubled and tripled turnout down in Georgia, after so many people organized Philadelphia, the signal from the Democratic Party is the John Kasichs won us this election? I mean, I can’t even describe how dangerous that is.

Incredible that she apparently didn’t even to run for re-election

*want to

I mean I understand 100% obv

Some of this is criminal. It’s malpractice. Conor Lamb spent $2,000 on Facebook the week before the election. I don’t think anybody who is not on the internet in a real way in the year of our Lord 2020 and loses an election can blame anyone else when you’re not even really on the internet.

this reminds me of this classic clip of Nomiki Konst at a post-2016 DNC Unity Reform meeting

It’s really hard for us to turn out nonvoters when they feel like nothing changes for them. When they feel like people don’t see them, or even acknowledge their turnout.

will more ilxors start to agree with me about this now that AOC is saying it

fuck she rules, hope she keeps running

What is your expectation as to how open the Biden administration will be to the left? And what is the strategy in terms of moving it?

I don’t know how open they’ll be. And it’s not a personal thing. It’s just, the history of the party tends to be that we get really excited about the grass roots to get elected. And then those communities are promptly abandoned right after an election.

Hope she follows her bliss and moves into a Maine lighthouse

hope she keeps running

right through Schumer's dessicated form so that he explodes into dust and she ascends to majority leader


classic clip of Nomiki Konst

good stuff

Some of this is criminal. It’s malpractice. Conor Lamb spent $2,000 on Facebook the week before the election. I don’t think anybody who is not on the internet in a real way in the year of our Lord 2020 and loses an election can blame anyone else when you’re not even really on the internet.

My favorite part of this is that "the year of our Lord 2020" is a very internet-y turn of phrase.

kinda condescending to presume that non-miserabilists care less about the world not being better imho

― flopson, Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:56 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

whenever ppl say stuff like that it reads to me as self-pity at your own pessimism of the will

― flopson, Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:00 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Also, flopson otm

My favorite part of this is that "the year of our Lord 2020" is a very internet-y turn of phrase.

it might even be a dril thing

pessimism about longstanding institutions that have worked more often than not to hamper progress ≠ pessimism of the will imho

AOC is in fact very clear-headed and unequivocal about their record in this very interview. even someone with her remarkable skill/ability set and extremely influential position is by no means confident that "pushing the party left" is going to work out at all

There's a fine line between hopeful skepticism and hopeless fatalism.

I find myself, as I expect many do, on different sides of that line from day to day!

AOC right on in those comments, tbf.

I will add to Rob's post, though, and say that while Milo and silby and myself and other more left-oriented people on this board can be extremely soaked blankets, the 'rationality and even-handed realism' view is equally cumbersome and imho, shows a deep lack of imagination and capitulation to a system of so-called governance and justice that doesn't actually serve anyone. It takes the status quo for granted and then when argued against, says 'but the status quo is this you idiot.' it's circular and lazy.

At least some of the left idealism expressed here and elsewhere on the board dares to dream of a better life for people instead of constantly saying 'bUt tHe sYsTeM w0rKs aNd dOEsN'T wAnT tHaT, bE ReAliStIc.'

the one gift of the soon-to-be-deposed administration is that "being realistic" in the post-trump era - when literally the most egregious, explicitly politically impossible shit happened every day for years - means nothing

90% of the time you guys (and it’s always guys) are not expressing what you are for, it’s what you’re against, and 80% of the time what you’re against boils down to “my existence as an upper middle-class person of color” mixed in with “I’m not saying Obama is a race and class traitor but WINK WINK”