What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

Ephemeral catharsis is good and healthy while we linger in the interregnum and it won't sully the grandeur of your long-term goals, milo. You should try it some time.

Joe Biden Also Sucks, Of Course

no he's good actually

Wtf, I love Biden now pic.twitter.com/sk04PZQEqe

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) November 7, 2020

trust me you can't will yourself into being happy with this outcome xp

sometimes he has good quips. inshallah was good.

No, but the world's proverbial shittiness doesn't mean I'm not entitled to a modicum of happiness in spite of it all, and some of that happiness can stem from spite towards the incumbent loser-in-chief.

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yes everyone is entitled to their feelings

It will never be good enough, and there is some metaphysical solace to be derived from that knowledge (or so I tell myself – I understand not wanting to go down that route).

I find no catharsis in President Biden. If Trump died in a particularly amusing fashion, sure. But he’s going to die rich and free of consequences while the rest of the reactionaries are strengthened in the medium-term and life gets worse for most people over the short, medium and long terms.

I’m pretty jubilant today but would like to note that the ILX politics sensible realism crew are equally tedious/ relentless

personally the impact of trump losing was maybe dulled for me because I've been assuming he would lose since COVID got bad

Everyone Also Sucks, Of Course

That's fair, Simon. I've little doubt that Biden would've gotten BTFO in a covidless world.

I find no catharsis in President Biden. If Trump died in a particularly amusing fashion, sure. But he’s going to die rich and free of consequences while the rest of the reactionaries are strengthened in the medium-term and life gets worse for most people over the short, medium and long terms.

So many people are happy and relieved, I hope you can find carthasis in that.

A friend of mine maintains that catharsis is a reactionary emotion

that's....not how catharsis works imo xp

Is your friend the Angriest Dog in the World?

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Catharsis is inherently dialectical so if anything I'd say it's a good fit for Marxism and its precipitates. Mehdi Belhaj Kacem has written some good pieces about this.

that's....not how catharsis works imo xp

You’re right, but there is joy to be found in the carthasis others are expressing at the moment.

didn't brecht think tragic catharsis was reactionary?

If it only serves to sublimate one's oppression at the hands of the status quo, yes.

I don’t know what Bretch thought about carthasis but he would be dancing in the streets right now.

most ILE thread ever

why does everyone have to care so much about what some other people are feeling rn

*that* is the truly reactionary emotion

I blame Ben Shapiro.

When you're miserable about how miserable you are certain to be in the future, nothing in the present can disturb your misery.

disingenuousness/gaslighting is just as lacking in civility as “throwing tantrums” or whatever.

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Aimless tut-tutted someone’s tone

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Aimless, not sure if you noticed but due to the timing of your post, and the thread you made it in, many of us read you as tut-tutting the impertinent tone of AOC in her tweet, and not - as I now infer from this post - milo.

"I find no catharsis in President Biden"

Sucks to be you then

I’m pretty comfortable not deriving joy from the guy who has played a leading role in ruining millions of lives over the past five decades.

If Joe Biden is the best thing you got going in your life let me know I’ll send you an edible arrangement or something to try to lend you a little sunshine

many of us read you as tut-tutting the impertinent tone of AOC in her tweet

Two posts above mine milo posted, without comment, a tweet that suggested:

I am a progressive, and I think you need to develop a more conciliatory and cooperative attitude.

Milo being milo, no comment was required to file this under "scorn and derision". My post was responding to his. Cooperation with anyone not firmly in agreement with all things milo is the worst of sins in his politics. I see I failed to make it clear what and who I was responding to.

guys let's keep the "Biden sucks" fights to the Biden sucks thread today, unless it's to disagree with AOC's tone in congratulating him (once, then pushing it down her feed with RAH! RAH! ILHAN OMAR! tweets)

I see I failed to make it clear what and who I was responding to.

Perhaps you did not see what and who that Karen was responding to; it was aligning yourself with her sentiments that read, in context, as you dismissing the structural and racist aspects of AOC's specific marginalisation.

I’m pretty comfortable not deriving joy from the guy who has played a leading role in ruining millions of lives over the past five decades.

No what you are doing is refusing to derive joy from millions who are feeling much better about their future today, you have a right to do that of course, but don’t pretend it’s not a continuous desire to set yourself apart from others.

no comment was required to file this under "scorn and derision"

Yes, scorn and derision for the literal Karen, representative of thousands of other "I'm a liberal but" halfwits, scolding and policing AOC for daring to counter the moderates who are trying to claw back what little progress has been made in the Democratic Party.

i don't want MEdicare4All, I want Medicare4Y'All

lol @ ‘literal karen’

constant to semi constant misery and an utter inability to chill is a common ailment among leftists I know, myself included. comes with the frustration of the world not being better and having a bit of a concept of just how much collective effort would be required to significantly unfuck it.

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

kinda condescending to presume that non-miserabilists care less about the world not being better imho

whenever ppl say stuff like that it reads to me as self-pity at your own pessimism of the will

I don't see any desire for collective effort, just the desire for the 'establishment' to bend the knee to progressives and your favorite policies no matter what.

wait do you ppl all choose what to be miserable or happy about? I definitely can't, so kudos

There is no collective effort with the establishment. They want different things. One side organizes tenants' unions, the other side takes a million dollars to lobby against rent control.

xpost no, but contrary to popular opinion, people don't all process the same information in the same manner

i mean i'm not gonna deprive someone from feeling misery over things like this but i'll be damned if i'll let anybody tell me I'm wrong for not feeling that way

That’s a good question, but I generally choose to be happy when like-minded people are so happy they are dancing in the streets.

I am also generally an optimist, and we just saw a lot of growth and victories for progressives over the past week and the falling of one gigantic hurdle (a GOP presidency) so really i’ve just been peeved by the doom and gloom of some posters here.

Prop 22 is one of the worst harbingers of the future of being a working person in America - the cretins at Uber and Lyft and behind the proposition movement aren't hillbilly Republicans from Tuscaloosa, they're former Obama staffers and Kamala Harris's family.

(But the cretins from Tuscaloosa will happily pick up the ball from here, of course.)

Yeah hope you enjoy sharecropping for venture capitalists in your golden years

i could die of just about everything any day of the week, and i don't wanna die with my butthole clenched