What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

How is even-handed rational dispassionate debate still anyone’s understanding of how the world works at this late date

Well first if the public option is irrelevant because of the Senate than what of single-payer.

Then, as imperfect as Obamacare was, and by so many metrics it's a worse system than the public option, it is still seen as a success and the right couldn't dismantle it thanks to its popularity.

Finally, single payer will forever be under attack as a failure of government, too. They already call it a failure in Canada despite the very fact that it isn't.

I have my disagreements with progressive but I didn't think 'it will be under attack by the idiots' will be an argument I'll see one day, you guys call yourselves socialists most of the time exactly because the strength is that you stop caring about what the other aisle think.

I understand how small a role rationality plays in most of life, including politics. But it is still a vital role. Remove rationality altogether and it's like pulling the keystone from an arch. You've still got all the stones you had before, but in a collapsed heap.

Obamacare is a failure - costs have continually increased, healthcare as a percentage of GDP has increased, quality of care and outcomes has not improved.

The Most Powerful Man In The World denigrating policy as unwise or unrealistic limits the extent to which it can be taken seriously as a goal. Running on weak and bad policy means you do things like lose House seats and fail to flip the Senate.

The Man Who Would Be King

This is still Shoot Em In The Leg Biden we’re talking about here

I have my disagreements with progressive but I didn't think 'it will be under attack by the idiots' will be an argument I'll see one day, you guys call yourselves socialists most of the time exactly because the strength is that you stop caring about what the other aisle think.

It's not about what the "other aisle thinks."

Universal programs are safer, as policy achievements, because everyone benefits, everyone is invested, everyone has skin in the game. Social Security is the Third Rail, mostly safe from the likes of Joe Biden (lol) and George W. Bush because everyone's grandma got that check.

One reason Obamacare has been a failure is because of the (horribly confusing) means-tested subsidies.

Obamacare is a failure

people with pre-existing conditions cannot be thrown off their healthcare thanks to the ACA.

this is not ideal but it's not nothing. i wouldn't want to go back to a world before the ACA.

Healthcare you can't use because of cost isn't actually healthcare.

I’ll give it (and the GOP lol) this: folks are really starting to clamor for sOcialized medicine

xp it's still better than before for millions of people. you have to admit that
obviously a single payer option would be best, but Obamacare was sabotaged from the beginning and especially frmo 2012-onwards

Universal programs are safer, as policy achievements, because everyone benefits, everyone is invested

^hard agree. it's the best structure by far.

Obamacare has been a failure is because of the (horribly confusing) means-tested subsidies.

it is a failure measured by some metrics, a success measured by others. compared to the hit and miss system of medical insurance through employment, it has been a clear, but incremental and flawed, improvement. you sound indistinguishable from the 'abolish the ACA' crowd of hard right shitheads.

Sabotage and state refusals to expand Medicaid, etc. are used to excuse it - but that's why it (and why things like Biden's plans) has been bad policy. If the functioning of your program is entirely dependent on the reactionary party playing nice, you're fucked.

How is even-handed rational dispassionate debate still anyone’s understanding of how the world works at this late date

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAN_jLnD_Q8

although tbh I think maybe the left should start just tricking people into supporting socialism or something

(Also, the original sabotage came from “liberals and moderates”)

i agree that single payer is the only sane healthcare policy.

"Obamacare is a failure -"

It's an improvement over what existed before it.
Aimless is right, this is the same dumb argument with the same obtuse posters that get off on being wet blankets.

There are other public health care systems around the world that work pretty well too!

tbh GD y’all make it so easy

Obamacare is simultaneously a success and a failure.

progressive policy goals still face an uphill battle. that didn't change because biden was elected but no one is saying they did. that's why i don't get why we're having this conversation again now.

are we ever not

It has be to easier now with Biden than with Trump, the difference is going to be like night and day.

We’re having this conversation because Aimless tut-tutted someone’s tone xp

We've already solved this conundrum forever:

Are you an accelerationist, y/n?

“Wet blanket” - why should the default be sweetness and light?

Aimless tut-tutted someone’s tone

monotone

The only progressive policy goals with a snowball’s chance in hell of making progress are those that amount to undoing the fascist enterprises of the executive under Trump, which will bring us to the status quo ante of Obama’s second term, so yay trans kids and DACA, boo deportation force and drone war I guess.

Any further turn towards progressivism originating in the executive will be wholly contingent on the party in the White House, subject to sweeping reversal as soon as control changes hands.

No meaningful legislation on any matter whatsoever will be passed by the next congress if it remains in GOP control, and will still be watered down by the senate if it’s Georgia sends two democrats and it’s 50-50 plus Harris because the likes of Joe Manchin can stomp their little feet whenever they don’t like something, much like Joementun did with the ACA.

So I wouldn’t say night and day. Night and slightly less dark night.

Anyway abolish the police.

Also fuck machine mayors, vote the bastards out

Abolish the πόλις.

Hey I’m not an anarchist

Why is your default to be like this CONSTANTLY? it's sucking tedious. I know silby is just a miserable SOB so what's your explanation milo?

I’m pretty cheerful most of the time

Abolish the pelisse.

constant to semi constant misery and an utter inability to chill is a common ailment among leftists I know, myself included. comes with the frustration of the world not being better and having a bit of a concept of just how much collective effort would be required to significantly unfuck it.

Same, I’m genially amused most of the time. Maintaining a strict poz vibes only attitude about Joe Biden to be happy sounds like torture.

That was an xp to silby. Separating political misery from day to day joy is a lefty’s only hope - but I see no reason not to call out the misery when it presents itself.

is it really tedious if it amps posters up so much

silby’s style is more playful imo, glad to have them back

"Maintaining a strict poz vibes only attitude about Joe Biden to be happy sounds like torture."

Dude are you serious. He literally JUST won the election that knocked out the most heinous human from the highest office in the land. People are happy That Trump lost wayyyyy more than that Biden lost. How do you not grasp this

Than Biden won

Ephemeral catharsis is good and healthy while we linger in the interregnum and it won't sully the grandeur of your long-term goals, milo. You should try it some time.

Joe Biden Also Sucks, Of Course

no he's good actually

Wtf, I love Biden now pic.twitter.com/sk04PZQEqe

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) November 7, 2020

trust me you can't will yourself into being happy with this outcome xp

sometimes he has good quips. inshallah was good.

No, but the world's proverbial shittiness doesn't mean I'm not entitled to a modicum of happiness in spite of it all, and some of that happiness can stem from spite towards the incumbent loser-in-chief.

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