Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (But This Is Great)

whoa at “make 1,2 dub”, loved that track on calling into context

let's talk abt Sketches For World Of Echo here

No better thread to type it, I guess: every time I see people fawning over a new Arthur Russell thing that has been unearthed, I wanna scream we get it. you like your music fags to be dead. it makes the music so much more meaningful. thank you for reminding me. I feel like you're just rubbing it in my face at this point. "oh, haven't you heard the new Arthur? also, why don't you die? die, die, die."

― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:46 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

A million times this.

― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Sunday, December 13, 2020 12:47 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

And I too am a huge fan and rinse every new thing that is unearthed!

― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, December 13, 2020 12:50 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I honestly never thought of it like that, and although I'm really glad Knudson is doing that work I can see the point

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:18 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

but y'know dead artists sell, that's certainly true across the board

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:19 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

My thing with him, which obviously is coming from a less invested place but nonetheless, is how people seem really intent on reinventing an artist who was known as much for making (brilliant) dance music as an indie singer songwriter

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:20 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

well he was really fuckin good at both things tbh

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:22 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think Sault are good. Don’t have strong feelings abt it but do think it’s a bit 30 something record collector to make them the center of your musical universe but there’s nothing wrong w that per se and it’s a really well done version of it ? Idk

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

the LCD Soundsystem of the 2020s

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:24 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

well he was really fuckin good at both things tbh

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 3:22 PM (nineteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sure (tho I’d hesitate to pigeonhole his non dance work as “indie singer songwriter) but only one of those gets a real commercial emphasis (i guess ? Because that was what was on the tapes, regardless if there are good reasons for it or not it feels like it’s remaking his story a bit to me)

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:24 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

well there's also been releases like "Corn" and "Calling Out Of Context" that were "on the tapes" so idk about that

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:31 PM (fifty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

and he played in The Necessaries! ffs

sorry for derail

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:32 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he was good at everything basically

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, December 13, 2020 2:12 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tbh his Echo demos are super-stunning, very pleased to have them in my earholes

― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, December 13, 2020 2:16 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I was more just... surprised when I got Love is Overtaking Me, like no fuckin way this guy who was so good at dance music and experimental (modern classical adjacent? but basically the world of echo type stuff) could be that good at singer songwriter stuff....I almost kept thinking I was fooling myself, but those songs are just really good songs

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, December 13, 2020 2:20 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this thread is getting alarmingly positive

― Lily Dale, Sunday, December 13, 2020 2:22 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol otm

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, December 13, 2020 2:27 PM (0 seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry for not editing out the Sault part of that

but seriously "Sunlit Water" is one of the most amazing things I have heard from this dude yet

Christ that batch of comments is insufferable. Including the Sault parts. Is that from that thread with the bizarre definition of "hype" where it means "people like it but not me"?

'Sketches' is great (as was the other live performance from the era that was unearthed recently). He was the definition of sui generis--"indie singer songwriter" yeesh.

Let us never speak of that paste again---all yall know this year's treat, right?
https://arthurrussell.bandcamp.com/album/sketches-for-world-of-echo-june-25-1984-live-at-ei Not to mention soooo much before it:
https://arthurrussell.bandcamp.com/

https://www.discogs.com/Arthur-Russell-The-Sleeping-Bag-Sessions/master/48677

lol that was actually an interesting stretch of commentary ffs, relative to the “buncha 30+ dudes explain why they don’t like Taylor swift” thing goin down before

still holding out for the loose joints album sessions (there was more recorded than just all those takes of “pop your funk” etc right?)

^^ yes, including "Let's Play Baseball" and probably a ton of other awesome shit we haven't heard

also LOL @ Soundslike and dow recoiling at any personal interpretation of music, those comments are about as far from "insufferable" as I can imagine and I am proud of my thread that provides a safe space for hate

No, my reaction wasn't re personal interpretations of music per se, and even if it had been, it wouldn't have been about your comments, which were good. Hey, my interps of music are personal all over the place!

Good to have threads mainly for venting, of course, but if I choose not to go to one, I'd rather not have it coming to me.

My comments weren’t really venting abt the music but how the later releases have kind of ended up marketing him to a different audience and in a different way than how i was exposed (via the world of Arthur Russell). Idk what’s so objectionable about that point

Also thought fgti’s point was interesting & is abt social context fucking w artists you otherwise enjoy

wasn't objecting to anything in particular, was trying not to; never mind, instead of saying (trying to head off what seemed like sidetrack to big argument), "let us never speak of this paste again," I shoudna spoken of it at all, carry on upstream.

no worries! I primarily bumped this to talk abt how amazing the new release is, cuz that is not really what the hate thread is about

https://arthurrussell.bandcamp.com/album/sketches-for-world-of-echo-june-25-1984-live-at-ei

Yeah, and "Sunlit Water" is one of my fave tracks this year, esp. in wintertime.

My comments weren’t really venting abt the music but how the later releases have kind of ended up marketing him to a different audience and in a different way than how i was exposed (via the world of Arthur Russell). Idk what’s so objectionable about that point

Doesn't The World Of Arthur Russell have Keeping Up and A Little Lost and That's Us on it also though, i.e. pretty much runs the gamut of his oeuvre?

yea for me this sketches for world is one of his most wowsers releases and shows yet another side to him - would love a physical release

That’s what I mean, it runs the gamut, the evolution of the releases veers much more strongly towards a little lost type records since that time though

Calling Out Of Context, First Thought Best Thought and Springfield were all released in the years after The World of Arthur Russell.

There wouldn't be so much of the Love Is Overtaking Me/Iowa Dream style music to release if Arthur Russell didn't make so much of it.

Calling Out Of Context and The World Of came out at precisely the same time iirc, on two different labels (Soul Jazz/Audika), and covered vastly different facets of AR's output. Neither formed as an effective survey as Another Thought (which I think was compiled by Philip Glass? or at least he had something to do with it, and it came out a decade earlier)

Springfield was a series of unfinished singer/songwriter recordings that were completed largely by Chris Taylor of Grizzly Bear-- I think what inspired this completion and release was the appearance of (and positive response toward) AR's more s/s songs that were represented in Matt Wolf's documentary, that this particular corner of AR's discography was worthy of deeper examination

wait what

I think you meant some other release than Springfield there

(you did, Love Is Overtaking Me)

Another Thought was initially released by Philip Glass on his label in '94 but was compiled by Don Christensen.

Another Thought is for me the best collection of AR's music. People bandy about expressions about how a record "changed their life" and it is usually a wild exaggeration but that album really did change mine. I was a little lost when it came out and it gave me the inspiration and energy to change my life.

Yep sorry xp

That could be an understatement xp. Woh oh.

Wild to think of the compilation you could make now.

Not saying what did or didn’t deserve close examination just that I ended up meeting a lot of people in my 20s and 30s for whom Arthur Russell was essentially a singer songwriter and had no idea he even made dance music and I thought that was weird

manys xps: fella from Audika is on the discogs page for Sketches saying that the cassette release is actually not limited (the bit on the bandcamp page about there only being 400 copes is now gone), yet it is sold out at the moment. Maybe it'll be back. He also said there's no plans for other formats right now.

I ended up meeting a lot of people in my 20s and 30s for whom Arthur Russell was essentially a singer songwriter and had no idea he even made dance music and I thought that was weird

You thought that was weird because it is weird.

Then again the first thing I think of with AR is "cello" so maybe it's not that weird?

I never thought of Another Thought as an "effective survey" as it doesn't really show the full on dance side. I think World of Came out before Calling Out of Context. In my memory it was Disco Not Disco that solidified Arthur Russell by re-highlighting the disco stuff (most of which had never dropped in it's classic status but wasn't seen as a part of a bigger whole) and introducing it to the new to dance music kids.

xxxp So these were people who only knew Love Is Overtaking Me??
I think from when I first started hearing about him, in the 80s, I got that he was like Eno, somebody who *could* sing and write songs, but just did whatever the fuck he wanted to---like even in Roxy, Eno became the one who textured the overall sound, and at shows might sit behind the soundboard, and start singing, upstaging Ferry, who was just up on stage, in the normie way---which might be why he didn't last in Roxy, also freaked out Tina Weymouth when Byrne brought him into the Heads---which might be one reason AR wisely declined to join that increasingly B. vs. W. enterprise (see also the book The Name of This Band is The Talking Heads)--but also he just wanted to record his own stuff and walk around listening to it and making more mixes and/or starting over, like we were talking about upthread. But, however he thought about it at any given point, LIOM and Iowa Dream are v. plausibly cohesive.
I'm still glad that The World of Arthur Russell was my own gateway (I'd heard some other tracks before that, but).

Arthur Russell was recommended to me by Gruff Rhys who described him as a "folk singer", and yeah I was almost baffled when I picked up the World of Arthur Russell. There were a couple of tracks on there that loosely fit the description, so I figured that must be what Gruff was listening to.

Fwiw the one that made me completely obsessed was the First Thought Best Thought box, especially the Tower of Meaning piece.

I am def really into all the posthumous releases but my favorite things of his happen to be the revords he put out while living, pretty much. I don't know if I would say they'e "better" or "more realized" or w/e.

In my memory it was Disco Not Disco that solidified Arthur Russell by re-highlighting the disco stuff (most of which had never dropped in it's classic status but wasn't seen as a part of a bigger whole) and introducing it to the new to dance music kids.

― dan selzer, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:59 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

“Is it all over my face” was a standard old school dance track here at least, a song I knew before I had any idea who he was iirc. Unless I’m like, rewriting history in my head but I’m pretty sure I remember that even getting radio play in like, house music sets here

Yeah that’s my point. Is It All Over My Face and Go Bang were both certified disco/club classics that never went away, but not everyone was connecting those to the other stuff.

Reminds me---there's a repress of the 2010 Walter Gibbons anthology incl. his Dinosaur L mix of "Go Bang" and an AR-credited "Calling All Kids," and lots of other good stuff, (except for the Double Exposure clunker) I saw complaints about the original pressing, and my CD version doesn't sound so great either, although it does have some tracks not on bandcamp, but bandcamp sounds a lot better: https://waltergibbons.bandcamp.com/ And the ones not there are prob on YouTube etc. DL and AR are on the bandcamp version. Gibbons brings out the best in a good range of music, a good ear for Latin percussion, for inst.

remember when the documentary had jens lekman but no nicky siano

My first exposure to AR was "You Have Did The Right Thing When You That Skylight In" on a Wire Tapper CD and went and bought World of... immediately.

anyone get that really nice arthur russell hat that ghostly put out? sold out by the time i saw it

it is with great regret that i must cop some new arthur russell merch pic.twitter.com/QMyy0V5Tx4

— vm's stigmata (@voguememory) December 9, 2020

Oh boy, another live recording!
https://arthurrussell.bandcamp.com/album/the-deer-in-the-forest-march-2-1985-live-at-roulette

Arthur Russell – cello + voice
Elodie Lauten – keyboard
Peter Zummo - trombone

Now THIS is what I’m talkin’ about! Exciting!

Elodie Lauten looks like a super interesting person!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elodie_Lauten

She is!

The Death Of Don Juan album, featuring Arthur is really good.

Her Transform EP is a big fave too.

is this AR recording any different to - https://roulette.org/event/arthur-russell-2/

?

It is the same recording, it started popping up in the springtime this year, at least on YouTube.

...and on that page, first linked itt in March :)

yes, i discovered it via here back then. just curious if there was any additional audio enhahcement etc. but i can hear it's the same. still wonderful.

It's great and has me doing boring admin duties while listening to Another Thought, sometimes I wonder if there's a better record.

The Death Of Don Juan album, featuring Arthur is really good.
And here 'tis! Thanks for the news, stirmonster.
https://unseenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/the-death-of-don-juan