this is dope. I’d read it was a continuation of age of, but so far it doesnt have any of the cat walking on clavichord stuff. or maybe that was grade of delete
‘i don’t love me anymore’ sounds like c 2007 weird punk
― flopson, Saturday, 7 November 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
is that eli keszler on jimmy fallon? that rules
― adam, Saturday, 7 November 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
xpost to table i never said he had to perform any struggle, that's your projection. i just connected his art to a moribund ideology, and then mused that perhaps his played-out ideology is why his music sounds played out. sorry for oppressing opns right to free speech or whatever
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Monday, 9 November 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
opn’s ideology is just garden variety Brooklyn dirtbag left (he’s even dating a podcaster) that’s obvious to everyone except you who somehow read thru the tea leaves of his aesthetics and determined he’s a Nick Land style accelerationist fascist. i personally find DBL to be a bit if a played out ideology but like half of ilx are all-in on it; it’s hardly fascist
it was an offtm post, nbd, no need to dig yourself deeper in this one
― flopson, Monday, 9 November 2020 05:09 (three years ago) link
Xpost to uptown churl, I wasn't talking to you in that post, I was addressing some lines from octobeard's last long post.
There is little to no connection between Landian Dark Enlightenment philosophy and OPN.
Please STFU.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 12:38 (three years ago) link
I'm also NOT a dirtbag left person. Very much a Spinozist/D&G stan with some humanistic green anarchist leanings.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 12:41 (three years ago) link
i don't think he's at all like a dark enlightenment type or anything lol but there was definitely a fascination with ccru on garden of delete and age of so i don't think i'd reduce it down to 'little to no connection'
also if he's really dating dasha from red scare (which i've seen people talk about all year but never like anything that seems definite?) ideologically she's a very reactionary faux-leftist so lol
anyway the new album is not very interesting unfortunately. it all sounds deliberately half-remembered but the end result of that just isn't particularly engaging
― ufo, Monday, 9 November 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
Not his best work, no, and I liked Age of quite a bit.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
So a fascination with CCRU, which stopped existing more than a decade ago, long before Land went Dark Enlightenment, means that OPN has a fascination with fascism? It's a guilt by association that is tenuous and absurd.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
Take aim at the real fascists in our midst and quit trying to make shit up when it isn't there, imho.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link
this guy gives off vibes which ppl are allowed to be turned off by
― a nice person (Left), Monday, 9 November 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
what are you guys even doing right now?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 9 November 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
― a nice person (Left), Monday, November 9, 2020 8:21 AM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i thought ppl itt were using outright misreadings of fascism in his music to justify why they don't like the new stuff
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
my dislike of some of the new stuff (one the new one, and also the last couple) is that i don't like the singing and the guest vocalists and the autotune. i can see why a lot of other people do, and i can see for OPN why it would be a interesting direction to move in (and more money, i'd guess?).
i assume that the majority of people like the vocals? not me, us, etc, just the music listening audience at large? lots of people love that shit? i honestly have no clue what a new OPN listener is like these days, and what they know of him or expect or want
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
He's been dialling up the deliberately annoying lulzy kitsch factor lately. The increased prominence of vocals is the main culprit as far as I'm concerned.
xp yep
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 November 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
he's produced hours and hours of the stuff older fans like from him, I'm not wild about the new album either but don't begrudge him branching out and trying other things
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
That's totally fair, I don't hold it against him in the least.
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 November 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
yep, i feel the same - don't mean to suggest otherwise. plus, there's plenty of gold in Magic; it's not hard to just remove a couple of the songs from the playlist. plus, i will always check out whatever he's doing that's new, precisely because he's always branching out.
i have to admit, though, that if he would put out an new LP announcement that was just him standing on at an beach at sunrise in his underwear, playing a Juno, 2 tracks, each 25 minutes long, and with the words "tangerine dream" in the press release, i would be so fucking stoked
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
i like this album fine but it feels like a crappier ford & lopatin. that interview where he's talking about how the weeknd gives him good advice and knows a lot about music shows a clear failure of judgment and taste! that guy sucks!
― adam, Monday, 9 November 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
he might just be sucking up to someone with access to a lot more money and promotion too.
i don't if it's crappier than ford & lopatin, but that F&L is my least-listened to OPN release for similar reasons
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
Hasn't he collaborated with The Weeknd previously? Plus, both were in Uncut Gems.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
i really loved the ford & lopatin cd but i think part of it was the compartmentalization of overt pop on one side and Synth Odyssey on the other. age of bridged the gap pretty effectively but idk about this one yet.
that's not to say there's not some nice sounds on this one. i'd be interested in others' edited-down versions. haven't listened quite enough to roll my own yet
― adam, Monday, 9 November 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
At first I was happy to see you back, Left. Now I regret that happiness.
THERE IS NOTHING THERE. HE DOESN'T GIVE OFF FASHY VIBES. I'VE SPENT MY LIFE RESEARCHING THIS SHIT, AND NONE OF IT ADDS UP.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
I will post this and then unbookmark the thread:
the non-rapping stuff on the new Salem album >>>>>> the singing stuff on the new OPN album
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
vibes are subjective & i didn’t specifically say fashy myself. he just seems like a certain sort of internet dude. anyway i remember liking r plus seven
― a nice person (Left), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
okay, taken. sorry for yelling. i just get frustrated about stuff like this, for a lot of the reasons stated above. if anyone who has been interested in CCRU is suspect, then uptown churl is going to think a lot of people are fash, and that's just not true.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
you can’t read. go back and read the frankel article i posted. you’re being silly. reflecting on the connections between art, capitalism, and fascism in 2020 is fine, there’s nothing wrong with it. im sorry if discussing controversial ideas offends you, I guess?
In fact, let’s weave in contemporary Stan-dom and celebrity worship to explain why people like Brad and table can’t stand to even contemplate dark or complex threads in an artists output, no, it’s just “I like the cool sounds yay music makes me happy”
To repeat, nobody has called opn a political operative, there have merely been connections drawn between his aesthetic and some extra-musical ephemera to other larger cultural currents. The amount of hysteria this has resulted in is a real “doth protest too much” vibe. I never once tried to “cancel” opn which is what everyone seems to be terrified of
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
You write, "i feel like OPN is on the nick land side rather than the fisher side, and xp to lamonti, if you feel like my statement was ott, it was, but the whole constellation of capitalist-aesthetics-hijacking and irony-saturated maximalist art of the 10s (vaporwave, jon rafeman, james ferraro, ryan trecartin, DIS, UNO, etc) imo has a very nihilistic undertone and resonates with nascent alt-right aesthetics. it's not a coincidence that vaporwave has some insidious, shadowy followers. i think r+7 took that corporate MIDI thing and made it breathe, but i think his overarching vision is firmly in the right-accelerationist post-humanist borg thing which i am not into. see also italian futurism and its resonance with fascism."
Okay, so you say all this and then just leave it there like a turd on the floor. You never specify *what about* OPN's sound strikes you as nihilo-fascist, instead just stating that it has this undertone and expecting us to not challenge you (or Frankel) on it.
There are worthy critiques of the exaggerated mirror model that OPN and other artists have utilized, but what I read in your frothy takes is that your answer to the question of whether such reflections are politically necessary any longer is in the negative. I disagree, and find the pessimism with which part of OPN's aesthetic works to be remarkably imaginative and illuminating, and not glib or cold.
When Frankel writes in the end of that piece, "The real challenge is to instead do the opposite, to encourage social consciousness by uncompressing the driving forces of capitalism, making them understandable, and giving audible and visible space to figure out why some of us already live in dystopian conditions." Which, okay! I agree! But when I listen to OPN, this is what I hear— a making comprehensible of an immensity and quickness of digital life under late capital. Is it possible that the adoption of the auto-tuned singing is actually an emotive response, a sign of organic life and feeling underneath the digitial ooze? In "Babylon," during the most plaintive part of the track, Lopatin sings, "It's not that I don't get itI really think I doWe wanted it to be differentBut that ain't happening any time soonMood spelled backwardsSays "doom"(Help me)"
To me, that doesn't spell "I'm an accelerationist fascist," but instead reads as fear and a desire for connection. It seems to me that you and Frankel are willfully misreading/mishearing what's happening in the music to slander Lopatin, or justify a dislike of his more recent output.
I will say that artists explaining what they do and the philosophy behind their art is clearly not always a worthy exercise. The visual and aural aesthetics deployed by Lopatin and associates do not strike me as more on the Land side than the Fisher or Negarestani side of the dial, but that's mostly because I'm paying attention to the music and the visuals associated with it, and not whatever blithely stupid comment he makes related to CCRU.
Finally, it's important to note that the "delirious" qualities often ascribed to Land's work can easily be ascribed to OPN's. Sharing qualities (or even quoting early, pre-NRx Land) doesn't a fascist make.
So, what do you find fascistic about OPN's recent output, sonically? Or is it just that you're exaggerating a connection in much the same way Lopatin does and using it as a cudgel against his work?
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
Wait what
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
I'm way too fuckin stupid for the thread about the guy who makes cool synthesizer noises
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
jfc this thread
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
Is there an OPN thread for ppl who didn't go to grad school.
I liked the Weeknd song on first listen
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
has lopatin acknowledged biden as president-elect
― adam, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
lmao
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
when asked for comment, mr. lopatin responded: "synth goes whoosh"
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
while def too dumb to participate I would like to say that I'm finding this discussion pretty interesting
― the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
Lopatin is a Russian surname. It loosely translates to 'spade-wielding guy', a reference to his status as the gravedigger of Western civilisation.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link
I mean, tbph Whiney and others, I am kind of like 'synth goes whoosh' but find the idea of OPN's sound being connected to a neo-fascist movement so absurd that I had to push back.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
I think he’s cute.
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
I mentioned above he's lost weight and looking quite spry lately. Good on him!
Photo from 2013 for reference:https://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/oneohtrix.jpg
― octobeard, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iKPkxfljBY
safdie bros video
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 13 November 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
yeah dude looks real healthy these days which is great
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 15 November 2020 12:08 (three years ago) link
video kinda fucked me up. part where the mom discovers the smart phone is weird.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
ummm what is playing on the phone exactly
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
I think maybe it’s shown briefly in another part of the video? Somebody being buried?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 23:24 (three years ago) link
Ah will have to watch again it kinda looks like someone getting their arm hacked off
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link
I want an opo/safdie bros video album now
― brimstead, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link
Opn is v funny on the twitter
― cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 03:53 (three years ago) link
Lol I guess he was on-site working in some capacity on the Super Bowl half-time show according to Instagram. Interesting career.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:34 (three years ago) link
Musical director for the weeknd's half-time show
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:36 (three years ago) link