SB 51: the California politics thread

there is plenty of market rate housing being built in cities and exurbs but it's laughably out of the price range of most people, and does very little to solve homelessness.

SF at least underbuilt for decades and hasn't nearly caught up.

there's this *huge* anti-tax nativist streak here among what passes for mainstream liberal politics

I don't think it's accurate to call it "liberal" though -- definitely mainstream, for sure. And I think you are experiencing the CA brand of liberalism that tends to be more progressive on social issues compared to the rest of the country, but are more fiscally conservative than people in other parts of the country with comparable views on social issues.

i mean ... yes? that's the tweet.

I just don't think there was sufficient messaging on most of these propositions by the parties that we likely wanted to win. 16? I never saw a single billboard, received a piece of mail, NOTHING. This should have passed. No organizations were pushing it. 15? messaging pro 15 was weak and did not adequately address the scare-lies coming from anti-15. Likewise, 22. Autonomy to most people means 'if you don't like that, don't work for those people." TBF, lots of people who work as drivers absolutely do like the arrangement they have. It's going to be some time before those workforces organize, if ever.

again it's semantics and it's relational -- liberal relative to stereotypical southern racists and conservative christians that refuse to make cakes for gay people. Other parts of the country are older and have much stronger traditions related to supporting unionized labor. California doesn't have that as much. I really appreciate your outside perspective even though I know I get defensive about the state my family moved to in the 1860s to escape militant racist assholes in Missouri.

i mean ... yes? that's the tweet.

besides the part where it seems to miss the point about why moderate voters didn't vote a "liberal" (as you and Susie define it) agenda?

It isn't like there's a "Liberal Morals Clause" that people have to agree to in order to self-describe as liberal in certain contexts.

Idk I feel like this is echoing the discussion on other threads about the term "Latinx"

This is turning into a no true Scotsman thing.

My point (and what I understand to be here point) is that a state California is extremely fiscally conservative given it’s a state that voted 65% for Biden and the things it’s fiscally conservative about are particularly gross.

Anyway, sorry in advance for blowing up the thread, but it is interesting to look at the ballot measure results by county and see which counties are closest to the state results. So far, the close ones I've noted are San Diego County, Ventura County, and the closest NorCal one is San Benito County (where I grew up right across the county line but politically is closer to my home town than Santa Clara County where my town is at the southeastern edge). These are not places that people tend to describe as home to good liberals.

When I think of "particularly gross" and Ventura County, fiscal conservativism isn't the first thing that comes to mind ... San Benito County had an assemblymember for quite a while who people were quite fond of because he used his observations of the behavior of his livestock to argue that homosexuality was wrong because unnatural. ... The fact that these people might have voted for Biden is more a pleasant surprise than an act of political betrayal.

maybe her post is based on actual people she knows ... I'm trying to be charitable here.

congrats la

https://laist.com/elections/2020/results/district-4-los-angeles-city-council-nithya-raman-david-ryu.php

NBC in LA is calling for Gascon.

Nice.

maybe her post is based on actual people she knows ... I'm trying to be charitable here.

― sarahell, Wednesday, November 4, 2020 5:07 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

you're overthinking it. the voters of the state of california voted for biden by 30 points and simultaneously voted down most of the progressive ballot measures. i don't think you have to look at individual county returns to understand what she's getting at.

I understand what she's getting at to read, "there are so many hypocrites in California" whereas I would argue in the case of many voters, that is not the case because Biden doesn't represent "liberalism" and in the case of "liberal" voters the reasons she cites are not the reasons they voted down the particular measures. ... Again, unless she's thinking of specific people or referring to some other text that I don't know about.

in the case of "liberal" voters the reasons she cites are not the reasons they voted down the particular measures.

why did self-identifying democrats vote against these measures?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nFvhhCulaw

Looking at individual county returns is instructive though -- like, who did vote against these measures? Orange County did, but I don't think she's talking about Orange County. There are the counties I mentioned that are not particularly liberal which reflected the state results: San Diego, Ventura, San Benito. The point being -- there are plenty of conservative and centrist voters who are going to vote against progressive measures and we would need more support from liberal and progressive voters to exceed their numbers. But this just sounds like berating people for being in the minority or for not being strategic enough in their voting to say yes to a problematic ballot measure because it represents a positive move against Prop 13, and if it doesn't pass there will be less impetus to challenge Prop 13.

why did self-identifying democrats vote against these measures?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:40 PM (five minutes ago)

this is just going off of anecdotal data but ...

Prop 15 -- concern for small businesses and artisans who will likely be hit with rent increases because owners will pass through the property tax increases, as well as businesses where they own their property but would suffer financial hardship.

Prop 19 -- is her issue that people should have voted against Prop 19? I voted against it, and a few other progressive guides recommended a no vote. However all the Democratic Party propaganda said to vote yes, and you were actually advocating a yes vote, so I didn't feel that demoralized when it has appeared to have a majority of support

Prop 22 -- worker autonomy and the ads suggesting that the drivers prefer to be contractors and not employees, and many of the ads featured minorities.

Nothing in her tweet suggested any position people should have taken on Prop 25 -- the cash bail one -- which was super fraught, and it came down to a bunch of people on the left speculating "which system would be more racist?"

Again, I am just saying "this is what people told me" and not "I agree with their reasoning"

i'm completely baffled by the point your trying to make by looking at counties.

the state of california voted for biden by 35 and voted against progressive ballot measures. that means a ton of biden voters voted against progressive ballot measures. i don't see how where those people are in the state of california is relevant.

and given that, there are two possibilities.

1. either many californian democrats are not actually that progressive on labor/housing/tax. this makes total sense to me and is all i'm trying to say! california voters (and the california democratic party) are on average way, way more conservative than similarly democratic east cost states on labor, housing and taxation! this seems obvious?! they are not hypocrites. i don't care whether they call themselves liberal or what.

2. millions of biden voters voted against those measures from the left? is that what you're saying?

i don't think she was talking about prop 19. or if she was, i'm not.

i'm talking about 15, rent control and 22.

either many californian democrats are not actually that progressive on labor/housing/tax. this makes total sense to me and is all i'm trying to say!

I agree with you, but I don't see how that supports what she said. Maybe I'm too focused on the "good liberals" phrase? ... the rent control one was awkward because I didn't see a lot of activism on it, probably because most of the progressive voters already live in municipalities with rent control. And the parts of the state that don't have rent control tend to be where the conservatives are. ... Also, I was unclear, would it have undone some of Costa Hawkins at all or just been an encouragement for rent control in general?

rent control certainly lost some votes because the details of ballot measure process/coalition building tactics were terrible, thanks to one incredibly vain person

If Michael Weinstein wants to repeal Costa Hawkins, he should write a check for mid-8 figures and hand it to ACCE with no strings attached.

Weinstein’s barnacle-like campaign consultants and lawyers should have no role higher than signature gatherer.

— Ask Me About Prop. 15 (@TribTowerViews) November 5, 2020

this is my favorite california politics tweet today.

Today @FixTheCityLA cofounder Jim O’Sullivan resigned as President of @MiracleMileMMRA. Jim wouldn’t even let @nithyavraman speak at a MMRA meeting since he was SURE that @davideryu was going to win. He has held back progress in Miracle Mile for years.

👋 Jim

♥️ Streets For All pic.twitter.com/tVr3Gcd0mE

— Streets For All (@streetsforall) November 5, 2020

xp the rent control tweet -- lol at the username and image ...I agree with them ... I also have been at the top of the Trib tower fwiw

ok now i wanna know who @tribtowerviews is IRL

Just spoke with a rep from alameda county (where Prop 15 is currently up 30%) board of elections rep who said about 50% of ballots are still outstanding. #YesOn15 is still very much in this. #CountEveryVote pic.twitter.com/pJKleOeLcY

— David #FeinsteinsAgainstFeinsteins Shor (@itsmedasho) November 5, 2020

yeah sfgate is saying that Prop 15 (and Prop 19) are still too close to call.

Anyone know how they expect the remaining votes to tilt on prop 15? It's losing by a little, but I don't know what votes are left in CA.

I'm looking at the "unprocessed ballots" report and there are still about 20% (or so) of the total still to be counted. And it looks like there are over a million left between LA County, Alameda County, Santa Clara County, and SF alone (all 4 counties that were high in favor of Prop 15). But there are also a bunch of unprocessed ballots in counties that have high "no" totals like Orange, San Bernadino and Riverside. ... My instinct is that the mail in ballots will probably skew progressive in line with Covid cautiousness, so maybe it will pass.

^ this is just me looking at a pdf and then looking at the sos.ca.gov site results by county and doing a little math in my head -- undoubtedly if caek wanted to focus his talents on this issue, the results would be way more scientific lol

it's a big "maybe it will pass" from me too, but i am not optimistic about the usual leftward shift with late returns this time, because almost everyone voted early, so i think it's unlikely tbh :(

CA statewide COVID guidelines: Avoid social situations that bring together people from three different households at the same time in a single space or place.

Nov. 6: Gavin Newsom attends dinner with 12 people (from 6 households) at The French Laundry

Nov. 9: Newsom: “(The rise in COVID cases) is for obvious reasons. People are letting their guard down. They’re taking their masks off. They’re starting to get together outside of their household cohorts. They’re starting to see businesses reopen and we’re starting, again, to see more people mixing. As it gets colder, we’ll see more still.”

Nov. 13: "While our family followed the restaurant’s health protocols and took safety precautions, we should have modeled better behavior and not joined the dinner.”

Don't blame me, I voted for Matt Gonzalez.

Nov. 17: that dinner at the French Laundry? It was with a fracking lobbyist.

Thats his best friend, but more importantly it was indoors despite GN claiming it was outdoors.

EXCLUSIVE: We've obtained photos of Governor Gavin Newsom at the Napa dinner party he's in hot water over. The photos call into question just how outdoors the dinner was. A witness who took photos tells us his group was so loud, the sliding doors had to be closed. 10pm on @FOXLA pic.twitter.com/gtOVEwa864

— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) November 18, 2020

one of my best friends used to work at French Laundry when she was a teenager iirc

just for the record, bill melugin is one of the worst people in the state of california

Yes, but he is a conduit to counter the bullshit that Newsom is spewing. Enemy of your enemy, etc.

(in this case, he's not on my radar at all)

gosh i really expected so much better from the guy who divorced kim guilfoyle at 39 to hook up w 19 year old brittanie mountz

Sure. Just be aware that he’s an “public safety”/law and order right win muckraker who is obviously aiming for promotion to national Fox News or whatever trump does next, and whose main source is the Los Angeles sherrifs department, whose leaks he credulously broadcasts.

i think brittanie does marriage counseling now lol

i will never get tired of bringing her up, sorry not sorry

Joanna Newsom's cousin is a shit (allegedly)

i will never get tired of bringing her up, sorry not sorry

― the late great, Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:16 PM (thirty-one minutes ago)

her name is the pierre delecto of SF politics

curfew!!!

LOL yeah right

Welp, looks like we're back on lockdown until 2021 (Jan 4th).